I think acting lieutenants had their own cabins off the wardroom with the actual commissioned lieutenants and the Master - that's the impression I get from watching both Hornblower and M&C, at any rate.
They would have the same privileges and duties as actual commissioned lieutenants, with the proviso that if their acting rank was not confirmed (for example, if they took and failed the exam) they would revert to the rank, duties and pay status of the midshipmen, and would again berth with them instead of with the commissioned officers.
Passed midshipmen... I take it you're talking about those who'd passed their exam but hadn't got commissions in a ship as lieutenants. They would still live in the gunroom/midshipmen's berth until they were commissioned to a ship (maybe even the same ship) as lieutenant.
Another note: In any ship bigger than a frigate, the lieutenants and Marine officers lived in the wardroom with the middies in the gunroom. In frigates, the commissioned officers lived in the gunroom with the middies in their own midshipmen's berth.
I would concur from what I have read over the years with all the above from Sharpiefan.
What I am not sure about, given the difference between frigates and the larger ships of the line was the Indy's history. I was trying to find again a reference for a diagram I know I have seen, is in what ways the Indy might have differed as she was a razee. I know that somewhere there is a proper diagram of a 64,which is what the Indy was formerly, and how exactly if affected the structure when they were cut down. If I find it again I will post the reference. I have often thought that, if one is attempting a secret shipboard - er- relationship, on anything less than a ship of the line one is daring indeed. But then they were of course...! Nothing if not daring in all senses, our heroes!
nodbear I wondered about the implications of the Indy being a razée too. If you remove the upper gun deck does that have implications for living quarters? It's also got me wondering how many men you need on a 38 razée as opposed to a 68. If you do ever find that diagram I'd love to see it.
I have often thought that, if one is attempting a secret shipboard - er- relationship, on anything less than a ship of the line one is daring indeed. I know it's hard to believe but, for once, my motives for asking these questions were entirely pure! Incidentally on the notorious HMS Africaine one of the places for "assignations" was the chains. The chains! I ask you!
Thanks sharpiefan that more or less confirms what I thought :) Although I didn't know that frigate officers used the gunroom rather than a wardroom. That's definitely useful information.
They would have the same privileges and duties as actual commissioned lieutenants, with the proviso that if their acting rank was not confirmed (for example, if they took and failed the exam) they would revert to the rank, duties and pay status of the midshipmen, and would again berth with them instead of with the commissioned officers.
Passed midshipmen... I take it you're talking about those who'd passed their exam but hadn't got commissions in a ship as lieutenants. They would still live in the gunroom/midshipmen's berth until they were commissioned to a ship (maybe even the same ship) as lieutenant.
Another note: In any ship bigger than a frigate, the lieutenants and Marine officers lived in the wardroom with the middies in the gunroom. In frigates, the commissioned officers lived in the gunroom with the middies in their own midshipmen's berth.
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What I am not sure about, given the difference between frigates and the larger ships of the line was the Indy's history. I was trying to find again a reference for a diagram I know I have seen, is in what ways the Indy might have differed as she was a razee.
I know that somewhere there is a proper diagram of a 64,which is what the Indy was formerly, and how exactly if affected the structure when they were cut down.
If I find it again I will post the reference.
I have often thought that, if one is attempting a secret shipboard - er- relationship, on anything less than a ship of the line one is daring indeed.
But then they were of course...!
Nothing if not daring in all senses, our heroes!
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I have often thought that, if one is attempting a secret shipboard - er- relationship, on anything less than a ship of the line one is daring indeed.
I know it's hard to believe but, for once, my motives for asking these questions were entirely pure! Incidentally on the notorious HMS Africaine one of the places for "assignations" was the chains. The chains! I ask you!
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