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Jan 16, 2008 04:29

Today in chemistry we learned about surface tension.  Two things of like properties mix well together, while two things of unlike properties do not.  Two things of unlike properties try to touch each other as little as possible, creating surface tension ( Read more... )

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fllmtlchcb January 16 2008, 20:59:20 UTC
I love long replies to my messages! That means I have more that I can respond to. ^_^

Lame. ^_^ Tell people it's from a conversation we were having and that you said the funny part and then I said something mean about how you shouldn't do coke in the first place and we got into a big argument now you're mad at me and I'm manically depressed and failing out of school and now I'm going to be doomed to a life as a fry cook at TGI Friday's.

That first part was good, and then I just started to trail off.

I always wondered what it would be like if you could see people's social trees. Like, if I could just see a Venn diagram with me in the middle and big circles representing everyone else I know with all the properties we have in common and not in common.

That actually sounds like a cool idea that we should do when I'm home. We'll make diagrams of me, you, Adam, and Jeanette and see what like properties we have or something. ^_^

I digress. If clashing egos behave like water on wax, then it is probably because the mind tries to reject things that it doesn't get along with. There are more complex explanations and deeper ones with varying interpretations, of course, but I think that is the basic principle behind it.

I think the biggest reason I don't like ancient history is because society practically behaves completely differently than how it did back then. But I do believe that the more a culture has in common with another culture, the more that they'll be able to blend peacefully. When the Pilgrims came over from Europe and encountered the natives here in America, one reason they didn't get along was because Pilgrims relied on destroying what was around them to better themselves, while the natives believed in being one with nature (there are other reasons, too, this is just one of them).

Water on wax behaves like people with each other. People with each other behave like society does with others. Xenophobia throughout the fractals of life.

The simplest example I can think of is any principal on a subatomic level that explains how two particles interact with each other can be seen as the bottom of a gigantic spiral that explains how things of larger magnitudes interact with each other.

And I know I'm one of those people who doesn't have things click very often. Unless I learn it for myself, it is hard for me to grasp an idea that I wasn't previously aware of (until I make myself aware of it). ^_^;;

Just typing this part out just to write down an example I'm thinking of.
When a glass of water is full, you can still add more water to it. The water bulges up over the glass but doesn't spill forming a meniscus. This meniscus is really water being pushed up from the center forming the bulge and then being recycled to the bottom of the glass through the sides. In some cases, the same atoms of water never actually leave the meniscus.

Subcultures behave the same way. New ones surface and old ones die down just for even newer ones to surface and the old die down again. The lower the subculture is in the meniscus (ie: the bigger it is) the longer it takes for it to be recycled. Some subcultures never die out but just fluctuate.

That is an example of how surface tension and society behave in similar fashions.

If the center of the sphere is the interaction between subatomic particles, and the farther away you get from it represents the same idea applied to objects of larger magnitudes, then the idea is spread then and is no longer a distinct point with easily definable coordinates.

Now I'm at that point, too. I can say "Surface tensions don't just deal with particles mixing, but with people and even society," but in order to explain I just have to use examples and can't simply say what it is.

<3

Sigh. When I'm home over Spring Break, we need to have some time for just the two of us.

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surrealisation January 17 2008, 07:06:18 UTC
You notice how in a conversation, you want to keep getting deeper with that person because you feel so connected, even though at some point you kind of have to separate and you can't really express those ideas together in the form of conversation. But like... the more connected you feel, the deeper you can go together because you just keep trying and explaining...

Anyway, I'm definitely telling the joke and subtly implying that I made it up. But not saying I did.

I think that my circle would be huge and connect a lot with a lot of other circles. Most def.

I think the biggest reason I don't like ancient history is because society practically behaves completely differently than how it did back then.
I don't think that is a fair statement. Of course we're going to change over time because we learn what works and become sophisticated- or we begin doing really bad things as an experiment to see if and how they could work. But honestly, we are still the same in a lot of ways. There's so much behind the actions of humans in the past that is expressed slightly differently, but sometimes almost exactly the same, as before.

I think it's interesting how you brought the idea of force and destruction into this with the pilgrims and indians.

I think that subatomic particles really aren't as deep as it gets. As much as physics is about explaining our world, I don't think that it can ever really go as deep as the world actually goes. Sometimes you just have to switch from one dimension of thinking to another. Like it feels when you do meta-cognition, kinda.

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fllmtlchcb January 17 2008, 07:13:44 UTC
Well, subatomic particles are the smallest 3D particles that we know of (subatomic meaning anything smaller than an atom). How other dimensional objects act are pretty much unfathomable to us since we can only graph things in 3D and lower. Who knows if a 4D object would have similar principles applied to it.

Why is it interesting I brought the idea of force and destruction into how civilizations react to one another?

The first example I thought of was the Roman Spartans who would practically fight everything they came across with the idea of "resistance is futile." Silly Romans.

I think I'm going to keep my physics book when I'm done with it simply because it's a very nice book and I'd like to read all of it someday. I'll show you it. I was mesmerized by the cover for a good half hour. The cover is a picture of a bridge. The metal rivets feel smooth while the other parts feel rough. And that's on the cover! Crazy!

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surrealisation January 17 2008, 07:33:06 UTC
I'm pretty sure it's all fathomable. Even though you can't really express a 4d object, I do think you can think about it in multiple ways, examples, and you'll get the idea behind it. The feel for it.

I did a lot of thinking about dimensions. And I visualize graphing and I've come to kind of understand more and more about the process of increasing dimensions. And it's really just doing the same thing over and over again.

I just think destruction is an interesting idea because it's kind of like one of three very basic ideas- creation, preservation and destruction. And like... okay I just thought of ... you know how matter can't be created or destroyed? But we still say we're destroying something... But we're destroying metaphysical things. And I don't really know what else to say about it or how to say it.

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awkwardebutante January 20 2008, 08:18:21 UTC
Doesn't the 4th dimension of an object have to do with the shadow it casts? Or have I been misinformed in my 3D class?

Just gonna throw this out there- but tension and compression relationships? Tensegrity, if you will. I'm just looking at if from an art school perspective, but please, go for your physics perspective:
When there is tension on an object, something else may be compressed to balance out the forces. Not only can it successfully solve a design problem, but it can also make it more aesthetically pleasing.

Discuss.

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