Forever Evil: Grodd spoilers

Sep 04, 2013 22:06

Well, I'll say this for that Grodd issue: if I hadn't already been convinced to stop paying for the New 52 titles, I certainly would be now.

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kidezt September 5 2013, 03:58:43 UTC
I feel like I've been trudging through the pile of bad each month hoping to see a good decision one day and it just keeps making me angrier and more disappointed. :(

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kidezt September 5 2013, 04:37:57 UTC
Not to mention Piper's unnecessary appearance only to get bitch slapped away on the same page.

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liabrown September 5 2013, 05:00:57 UTC
Yeah, the reason I read it was because somebody on /co/ said Piper was in it. They didn't mention that he does exactly nothing.

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neotoma September 7 2013, 22:03:35 UTC
Admittedly, I've only read the first two trades, but does Piper ever get to successfully fight crime?

He got taking out pretty early on when trying to take on the Rogues in the second trade, and frankly, I prefer the more competent old-DC version of the character, because even if he was rat-obsessed and somewhat delusional, he was effective at what he was doing.

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liabrown September 8 2013, 03:32:54 UTC
Nope, he's done nothing else. He just had those brief cameos you've already seen in the trades, and then this quick one in the Grodd issue, and that's the entirety of his appearances. Some Piper fans are disappointed because they'd been promised he'd be a major supporting character, but he hasn't been at all.

In a way maybe it's a good thing because he isn't getting butchered, but as a Top fan I know that still feels like cold comfort :/

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neotoma September 8 2013, 03:46:59 UTC
Some Piper fans are disappointed because they'd been promised he'd be a major supporting character, but he hasn't been at all

From reading the first two trades, Barry doesn't have major supporting characters or close friends, as far as I can tell.

Which, since I got into Flash with Waid's run when Wally had a supporting cast of thousands, is a really disappointing change.

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liabrown September 8 2013, 04:09:38 UTC
Yeah, it's just Patty and Iris really. Singh and Forrest do very little, and Elias turned out to be an antagonist. There are a few guys who COULD have become supporting characters, but....well, spoilers for the Reverse-Flash storyline (I don't know if you want to hear them before reading it, or if you even care). Turbine -- the guy who replaced the Top -- could actually have become a supporting character and probably would be more interesting that way, but he's hardly done anything and is apparently going to be a pseudo-Rogue. But who knows, because he's scarcely done anything.

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neotoma September 8 2013, 11:11:14 UTC
While I'm happy that Patty Spivot and Iris West get 'screen' time as female supporting characters, I'm suspicious that they're the only ones who actually interact with Barry; I'm really not interested in them being developed just for their stories to turn out to be furthering a love triangle plot.

That David Singh and James(?) Forrest don't actually interact with Barry just comes off as weird -- they are his co-workers, but he doesn't interact with anyone else as friends either. Does his life just consist of punching people in the face as Flash and nothing else. It's bizarrely isolated and makes Barry seem disconnected from the rest of humanity, like he doesn't actually know how to relate to human beings except as The Flash.

I was really hoping that they'd do something interesting with Turbine, but also very dubious about their ability to do so, since his backstory as a time-displaced Tuskeegee Airman would require research and actual thinking about what someone raised in Jim Crow Missouri (are Keystone and Central even still at the ( ... )

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liabrown September 9 2013, 08:10:08 UTC
Oh, it's definitely going to be a love triangle plot, at least according to a dude who's clearly got advance spoilers (the guy has been right about everything he's claimed so far, and I know that Manapul and Buccellato have given advance spoilers to select fans they like because two are friends of mine). So it's certainly dull, I agree. But technically love interest(s) do qualify as supporting cast, even if there really isn't much of one ( ... )

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liabrown September 5 2013, 04:59:25 UTC
Pretty much. It isn't even killing him that particularly bothers me, but holding up his severed head just screams childishly edgy!!1!. Who thought that was a good idea?

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kidezt September 5 2013, 06:47:40 UTC
Buccalleto, apparently, since he wrote that issue. :I

Digger also made a very small cameo in the Forever Evil issue with the Suicide Squad.

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liabrown September 5 2013, 07:11:31 UTC
It'd be nice if these guys were reined in by editors every now and then, but it seems all the editors do is facilitate crossovers and such. They don't seem to be doing anything else (Sam's no longer trapped in the mirror dimension! Why? Who cares!)

Yeah, I saw that. Hopefully Buccellato never gets his hands on Digger, because he promised to do bad things if he does.

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kidezt September 5 2013, 07:44:41 UTC
And Axel's magically healed arm too. What even happened to Piper after he was swatted away? WHO KNOWS?

Good lord, I hope he never touches Digger. :/
Knowing myself, I'll continue reading anyway because I must know things even if I'm not liking what they're doing to them.

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liabrown September 5 2013, 08:38:07 UTC
And Lisa's appearing and disappearing comas. I'd be far less irritated with the book if it wasn't so damned sloppy.

Yeah, with me my insatiable curiosity overcomes my hatred; I have to know what they're doing with these characters because I love them (well, who they used to be). It's actually pretty sad. But I don't give DC money anymore, because that just encourages them.

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