What Do You Have To Say? - Small Business: My Own Business

Oct 16, 2007 13:47

 Providing enough capital to keep it going for ten years (this being about the time it takes this form of business to turn a profit) I would start an art gallery and fine art printmaking studio. I have expertise in both areas, know many good artist and have access to good printers to work with artist.

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art is subjective flamesdad October 23 2007, 16:32:33 UTC
I totally agree, that criteria for what art is are totally subjective.

Yet, it is okay to be subjective. (Though we must be open to learning always, it seems to me, that the only working definitions of what is True are always subjective. Thus we can only assert our own truths. Truth being intimately connected with the inner-private knowledge we have of ourselves (which we can not reveal lest we lose our sense of self) our sense of truth is our presence, what we want others to recognize as ourselves in relationships. (Some might call this aura, my aura (to anyone just passing by and seeing me, is that of an older man, (which since I dress the same year round, slacks and long sleeved dress shirts, and my fedora) wth a serious presence, yet something about my presentation (as I have been told) suggest that I am likely an artist. And, yes, this is how I want to be seen, this is part of my truth.)

Along these lines, I would post that art s subjective...and exceptionally so for those that make it...Because in order to make it, we must define t for ourselves and establish criteria by which we recognize other's work as art or not (allow me to say, that such criteria is not engraved in stone, that the criteria must reman open to our maturing and learning more about ourselves and art itself.

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Re: art is subjective philosophera October 23 2007, 22:23:53 UTC
So where do you define the boundaries of art? At what point do you decry that something is not art. And where do you define the boundaries of Fine Art?

It sounds as if you cultivate your appearance as a bit of an art form as well - and it's quite common. Certainly women are given a lot of credit for 'putting on their face' before venturing outside of their homes, however its becoming more and more acceptable for men to take more care and attention with their appearances as well - beyond simple grooming. But back to the point that I was heading towards - the style of clothing that we naturally gravitate to says a lot about who we are, and how we want the world to perceive us.

In the 80s we had punk rockers resplendant in shocking pink and teal Mohawks that were the envy of any Peacock; today wild hair colours are considered the norm; a few years ago we saw an increase in body art (tattoos, piercings); and again they are now considered the norm. (Remember the time when people had to worry about having body adornments in locations that could be easily hidden by clothing? Today the lawyer you go to see might have one right across the back of his hand in a location that would be impossible to hide..

Would you go so far as to define appearance as art, or (if not) on what criteria does it fail to make the grade?

daP

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Re: art is subjective flamesdad October 26 2007, 20:12:31 UTC
Yes, appearance can be an art form...As I dress, it is a visual presentation of how I see and want to be seen in the world, which coheres with how I want my art to be seen, and hopefully understood. But long ago I gave up on 'artist in black' look aswell as 'artist in paint smeared clothes' (though since I am currently making a living as a handy-man, jack of all trades, I sometimes do walk the streets in marked clothes). On occasion, if I am having an opening or going to a friends opening, I will festoon myself with a gallery of pins/broaches, rings and bracelets of my making, which makes me stand out as one of the artists...but I do so maybe two or three times a year.

As for the definitions of art and the implied limitations of any such definition...I know what it is for me within me and my own work. My primary and most important medium is drawing...though I sometimes work with the figure, I have established recognition for my abstract drawings in graphite. I will try to post a few pictures next week, but visualize a tonal scale from white to 90% black, with every possible tone of grey in use, then picture something like a spare DeKooning or spare Pollock, and you have a rough approximation of what I do.

If I, for discussions sake were to give a definition of art, it generally follows the history of western art...but includes deep appreciation for other cultural, ethnic and personal expressions...for example, oriental, pre-contact/pre-columbian american natives, african, etc. I can not dismiss these for they have been kkeys to my insights and development as an artist. Am having an interesting discussion here with an artist whose work seems to have 'folk/untrained characteristics; he is asking if his work fits within the productions of folk-artists. My response has been No, since he is fully trained and after an effect that is intentional and esthetic. I mention to him, that the folk art comes from a different motivation and serves a purpose different than he intends for his work.

Art like truth is always defined by what is art and truth to oneself and we all must allow that. But truth must be a viable experience subject to exploration and growth, as we mature. So must be art. When I started I could see nothing but the great figurative artist, but as time passed and I looked harder and asked harder questions, Picasso's Cubism became a revelation...(I was in art school when the Museum of Modern Art, NYC, gave Pollock his second retrospective, I saw and said this is not art, but I returned to see that show seven times...and then began my own journey to try to understand what he was doing and why...twentyyears later, I had an inkling, and not long after I understood. And know I can posit, that without that engagement with Pollock, I might never have arrived (or I might still be striving) at my own vocabulary and voice in my work.

let this be for now...enjoy the challanges you pose.

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Re: art is subjective philosophera October 26 2007, 20:52:22 UTC
Please do post some of your work (both your graphite as well as other mediums!). I really would need to see it to visualize not being overly familiar with those artists (beyond a quick google). Besides, I'm quite curious. (It's my nature).

What do you mean by spare DeKooning? (Sorry, I'm not very fluent in artistic terminology, but asking questions is the first step in understanding).

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Re: art is subjective flamesdad October 29 2007, 16:14:13 UTC
A spare DeKooning, would be one from the early 1940's like Pink Angel's or from the end of the seventies to about 82. Where he uses less and gets to more...or since you are more likely to find it in an art book, something like Parc Rosenberg or Suburb in Havana.

Will try to post pictures later this week (I am hired out in a job I need and want to get done quickly as possible) and will ask Phil (once his machine is up again) to post pictures of one of my sculptures, which was made for my grandson.

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Re: art is subjective philosophera October 29 2007, 23:30:32 UTC
Re: art is subjective flamesdad October 30 2007, 15:53:42 UTC
Yes, 1945! What I meant by spare works, is that the artists I mentioned are best known for heavily painted and gestural works, they would only be spare if less heavily painted and gestures were minimized. If you look at DeKooning from the end of the seventies through about 1982, when he really reduces the incidents in his work, you will get a feel of what I meant.

Posting to also let you know that you can see some of my work (including the very rare use of color in some of my work) at www.artsramble.com, click on gallery and find my name as Antonio Rivera. While you are there look at Andrea Gomez's work...she is a very dear dear friend and one of the finest artist I have ever been associated with.

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