The Dreaded Global Warming Post
Wonder what kind of reaction this will get. Wrote this up on another car forum the other day...not exactly what you would expect. I'm just copying and pasting.
So you're believing a bunch of UN/study-funded scientists? How about the fact that it was warmer in 1930 than it is now? I could go on for hours. It's perfectly feasible for the earth to be warming up. It WILL happen scientifically speaking but the fact that its man made...sorry...throwing the bullshit flag. The ice caps are melting on mars too...guess we need to stop burning fossil fuels on mars. We're also fresh out of an ice age, guess what happens after an ice age? The earth warms up! imagine that! Also look at sun spot graphs since galileo started keeping track of them back in the 1600s. There was a minimum for about 100 years, guess what...there was a "mini" cooling of the planet at this time. They've taken a spike in the rate they are occuring in the last hundred or so years...and so has temperature. Everything on earth is a cycle, calling it "man-made" global warming is a little bit of a stretch and a little egotistical, considering we only have actual climate data since the 1600s. The earth is BILLIONS of years old, it's crazy to try and base whats happening now on 400 years of recorded climate history.
And these are the same "scientists" who in the 70s were warning another ice age was coming in the next 15 years in the form of "global cooling" if we didn't wise up. That seemed to pan out real well...
Of course we have SOMETHING to do with it. That leaves an out for everyone. I'm not angry i just love how people try and make it political. Just look into it, the fact they said "we cant stop it" should be unsettling.
Whats this incredible rate of temperature increase? The earth has warmed up an entire degree in 100 years?
Nice how you just avoided everything i said. Thats great. And yes i do know a thing or two about physics and how the solar system works. And yes i think its egotistical to think that we can say whats going to happen on earth when we've only been taking data for 400 years.
There is also the life cycle of the stars to consider. Stars like our sun all age into Red Giants what have a radius larger then the distance from the earth to the center of the sun. So physically, the sun will eventually "swallow" the earth, and billions of years before this happens, the radius to the sun will be decreasing, hence a rise in temps. Solar activity also has a great impact (ie the sun spots and solar flares mentioned above). Activity sends loads of ionizing radiation into the outer atmospheres in the earth, another theory is that these bands of ionizing gamma and x-rays break down the outer atmosphere. But this isnt a well pushed theory since it leaves the human element out and someone can't be blamed. It also doenst give environmentalists something to whine about.
There is also the political side to consider. The thing that gets me is no matter what we do, global warming will not be turned about. It will go on for centuries, according to this report. The sea levels will continue to rise as polar ice caps melt. So I guess if Al Gore wins his Nobel Peace Prize, we'll still experience global warming. So much for riding to work everyday in your hybrid car...it's not doing a thing. The situation is futile, according to this report.It is the UN we are considering, and frankly i dont trust them. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world. Just look at when communism fell, after the fall of the Soviet Union and worldwide Communism many in the anti-capitalist movement moved to the environmental movement to continue pursuing their anti-free enterprise goals. Many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists. Also, What happened to the Medieval Warm Period? In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a chart showing climatic change over a period of 1000 years. This graph showed a Medieval warming period in which global temperatures were higher than they are today. In 2001 the IPCC issued another 1000 year graph in which the Medieval warming period was missing. Why? And why has one scientist promoting the cause of man-made global warming been quoted as saying "we have to get rid of the medieval warming period?" Why did a reporter from National Public Radio refuse to interview David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma studying global warming, after his testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee unless Deming would state that global warming was being caused by man? Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
How about the infamous Kyoto accords. Guess who was exempt from them? Some of the worlds biggest CO2 producers some of the world's biggest CO2 producers, including China and India. The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world's dominant capitalist economies.
And since you brought up the $$ aspect. Every one of these scientists works off grant money. (Trust me here, i know how it works) And if they stop preaching the global warming thing (no matter what they find) they will suddenly dry up when it comes to money. No one will be interested in what they are saying anymore. Time to move on to the next project. They also seem to seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree. Look at the chick on the weather channel who went on preaching about how she was some big climate "expert" then got called out by one of the best in the country at NOAA wondering where she got her information? She clobbered him just because he called her out.
Also check out those melting ice caps, funny how the ones in the Antarctic are getting larger. Side-looking radar interferometry shows that the ice mass in the West Antarctic is growing at a rate of over 26 gigatons a year. This reverses a melting trend that had persisted for the previous 6,000 years. WHy dont you hear about this on the CNN? How about rising sea levels? The sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended. That was 12,000 years ago(a blip on the timescale of the life of the earth). Estimates are that in that time the sea level has risen by over 300 feet. The rise in our sea levels has been going on long before man started creating anything but natural CO2 emissions.
How about that good equipment? The US is the one country with the most accurate temperature measuring and reporting records, hands down, temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees centigrade over the past 100 years. The UN estimate is twice that.
And finally, over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today. Here is a nice article Time Magazine published on July 24, 1974, an article entitled "Another Ice Age?" Here's the first paragraph
"As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."
Talk to a real scientist and they will laugh when someone says they base their facts on "virtual certainty." Specially a physicist Every time we think we have everything figured out, guess what, we prove ourselves wrong.
This should be interesting. :-D Lets see how long it takes for the word "Bush" to appear in my comments.
So you're believing a bunch of UN/study-funded scientists? How about the fact that it was warmer in 1930 than it is now? I could go on for hours. It's perfectly feasible for the earth to be warming up. It WILL happen scientifically speaking but the fact that its man made...sorry...throwing the bullshit flag. The ice caps are melting on mars too...guess we need to stop burning fossil fuels on mars. We're also fresh out of an ice age, guess what happens after an ice age? The earth warms up! imagine that! Also look at sun spot graphs since galileo started keeping track of them back in the 1600s. There was a minimum for about 100 years, guess what...there was a "mini" cooling of the planet at this time. They've taken a spike in the rate they are occuring in the last hundred or so years...and so has temperature. Everything on earth is a cycle, calling it "man-made" global warming is a little bit of a stretch and a little egotistical, considering we only have actual climate data since the 1600s. The earth is BILLIONS of years old, it's crazy to try and base whats happening now on 400 years of recorded climate history.
And these are the same "scientists" who in the 70s were warning another ice age was coming in the next 15 years in the form of "global cooling" if we didn't wise up. That seemed to pan out real well...
Of course we have SOMETHING to do with it. That leaves an out for everyone. I'm not angry i just love how people try and make it political. Just look into it, the fact they said "we cant stop it" should be unsettling.
Whats this incredible rate of temperature increase? The earth has warmed up an entire degree in 100 years?
Nice how you just avoided everything i said. Thats great. And yes i do know a thing or two about physics and how the solar system works. And yes i think its egotistical to think that we can say whats going to happen on earth when we've only been taking data for 400 years.
There is also the life cycle of the stars to consider. Stars like our sun all age into Red Giants what have a radius larger then the distance from the earth to the center of the sun. So physically, the sun will eventually "swallow" the earth, and billions of years before this happens, the radius to the sun will be decreasing, hence a rise in temps. Solar activity also has a great impact (ie the sun spots and solar flares mentioned above). Activity sends loads of ionizing radiation into the outer atmospheres in the earth, another theory is that these bands of ionizing gamma and x-rays break down the outer atmosphere. But this isnt a well pushed theory since it leaves the human element out and someone can't be blamed. It also doenst give environmentalists something to whine about.
There is also the political side to consider. The thing that gets me is no matter what we do, global warming will not be turned about. It will go on for centuries, according to this report. The sea levels will continue to rise as polar ice caps melt. So I guess if Al Gore wins his Nobel Peace Prize, we'll still experience global warming. So much for riding to work everyday in your hybrid car...it's not doing a thing. The situation is futile, according to this report.It is the UN we are considering, and frankly i dont trust them. The UN would eagerly engage in any enterprise that would weaken capitalist economies around the world. Just look at when communism fell, after the fall of the Soviet Union and worldwide Communism many in the anti-capitalist movement moved to the environmental movement to continue pursuing their anti-free enterprise goals. Many of the loudest proponents of man-made global warming today are confirmed anti-capitalists. Also, What happened to the Medieval Warm Period? In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a chart showing climatic change over a period of 1000 years. This graph showed a Medieval warming period in which global temperatures were higher than they are today. In 2001 the IPCC issued another 1000 year graph in which the Medieval warming period was missing. Why? And why has one scientist promoting the cause of man-made global warming been quoted as saying "we have to get rid of the medieval warming period?" Why did a reporter from National Public Radio refuse to interview David Deming, an associate professor at the University of Oklahoma studying global warming, after his testimony to the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee unless Deming would state that global warming was being caused by man? Why are global warming proponents insisting that the matter is settled and that no further scientific research is needed? Why are they afraid of additional information?
How about the infamous Kyoto accords. Guess who was exempt from them? Some of the worlds biggest CO2 producers some of the world's biggest CO2 producers, including China and India. The Kyoto accords can easily be seen as nothing less than an attempt to hamstring the world's dominant capitalist economies.
And since you brought up the $$ aspect. Every one of these scientists works off grant money. (Trust me here, i know how it works) And if they stop preaching the global warming thing (no matter what they find) they will suddenly dry up when it comes to money. No one will be interested in what they are saying anymore. Time to move on to the next project. They also seem to seek to punish those who have different viewpoints. If you are sure of your science you have no need to shout down or seek to punish those who disagree. Look at the chick on the weather channel who went on preaching about how she was some big climate "expert" then got called out by one of the best in the country at NOAA wondering where she got her information? She clobbered him just because he called her out.
Also check out those melting ice caps, funny how the ones in the Antarctic are getting larger. Side-looking radar interferometry shows that the ice mass in the West Antarctic is growing at a rate of over 26 gigatons a year. This reverses a melting trend that had persisted for the previous 6,000 years. WHy dont you hear about this on the CNN? How about rising sea levels? The sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended. That was 12,000 years ago(a blip on the timescale of the life of the earth). Estimates are that in that time the sea level has risen by over 300 feet. The rise in our sea levels has been going on long before man started creating anything but natural CO2 emissions.
How about that good equipment? The US is the one country with the most accurate temperature measuring and reporting records, hands down, temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees centigrade over the past 100 years. The UN estimate is twice that.
And finally, over the past 3,000 years there have been five different extended periods when the earth was measurably warmer than it is today. Here is a nice article Time Magazine published on July 24, 1974, an article entitled "Another Ice Age?" Here's the first paragraph
"As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."
Talk to a real scientist and they will laugh when someone says they base their facts on "virtual certainty." Specially a physicist Every time we think we have everything figured out, guess what, we prove ourselves wrong.
This should be interesting. :-D Lets see how long it takes for the word "Bush" to appear in my comments.