I completely agree with your father's assessment. But that doesn't change the fact that sexually violent crimes have a less than 5% conviction rate, and that's out of the less than 10% of crimes that actually get reported in the first place.
Societal opinion, which turns into the people making up juries and deciding on cases like the one I was reading about, is still that women are physical possessions and the only ones that can held accountable for the attacks they suffer solely for physically existing. Just thinking about it makes me want to castrate the other half of the population, but I don't think it would help. Rape is never actually about sex anyway, its about domination and power. So basically society still has the ingrained opinion that women are and should be submissive to males, even after decades of fighting tooth and nail for the legal protection of our equality as human beings. And the easiest way for males to assert this domination is through physical force and brutality
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I don't understand girls so I don't really understand any of this.
But I think that society should not change too drastically. It works the way it is. Too much change would mean chaos and anarchy.
I have not met very many... submissive... girls, though. More the opposite. My father also said that any man who beat up a woman was a coward who should be locked up. But other than that, I don't know what to say.
That's exactly the point Sasuke, girls aren't the only victims. It effects you as much as it effects me, only worse because at least in my case its something that's become generally acknowledged.
Change doesn't mean chaos, change just means change. And its the only way to ever improve living conditions and the social stratas.
...Sasuke, you are dating a frighteningly submissive girl. Not that there's anything wrong with Hinata, and that I don't love her dearly, but she is a very submissive and self-effacing girl. The Pink Bicycle is as well. Those mind games you're always complaining about her playing? That's her way of conforming to what she thinks men want from her, which is to say submiting herself to that mold
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I'm in exactly no danger of being raped ever. So no, this does not affect me. This is a special interest issue.
I don't believe the world can improve. It could hypothetically, but nothing really ever gets better. People are too greedy by nature.
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I'm not sure if Hinata is actually submissive or just acts that way out of fear or shyness. I don't treat her as submissive so I don't think of her that way. I think she wants to assert her will, so I'm trying to make her feel safe enough to do it. I'm not interested in being her master.
And I wish Sakura would cut it the hell out, whatever her motivation is. I've told her over and over again that I don't want her to act that way. She does it anyway. I don't think she's trying to impress me with it, therefore. I'm not impressed, and I've said so
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.........You know Sasuke, sometimes you really piss me off. And its not because you don't agree with me, its because I know I can argue with you until I'm blue in the face and you won't even attempt to open your mind to any of my arguments.
That in mind, I'm going to make an effort to swallow my tongue and spare both of us the headache.
No, I'm not arguing that at all. I'm stating that as the backdrop to my argument. My argument is that it is not acceptable for the world to be unfair and treat people badly.
The problem is that you, whether or not you agree that it is unacceptable, refuse to act or see value in action, and so through your innaction support the argument that it is, in fact, acceptable for such behavior to be rampant and without consequence in our every day society.
It's not really acceptable for millions to die in wars either. Or for people to be shot in the street. Yet it happens anyway. I don't know how to stop it from happening. Horrible things have happened from the beginning of recorded history. And people have always been horrified by them and wished they would stop. Yet- they continue. What can be done?
No. I don't think it's acceptable at all. Being resigned to the reality does not mean I approve of it.
Furthermore, if you think things can be changed, what course of action do you suggest?
What course of action do I suggest? Fuck Sasuke, ANYTHING. Do ANYTHING but do SOMETHING. You're right, attrocities of all shapes and forms have been going on for centuries upon centuries, which means we've yet to come up with the magic band-aid, which is why its even more important to act in any way you can imagine. Protest, write, create art, join the system and try to implement reform, talk about it. The more people who know about and who think about it, the more individual action change.
The only thing that has ever managed to create change, good or bad, has been an individual. A person has to voice a thought before others can hear it, a person needs to do something before others can react to it. What is a crowd Sasuke? What is a jury? What is society? Just individuals, a grouping of independent people. How things change is through outward ripples, one person talking to another and then another and spreading thoughts and arguments and solutions, offering options
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I have plenty of my own problems without taking on the responsibility of fixing the entire world. Also, not everyone wants to be a radical. Most people are just trying to get through their own lives. I know that I don't have a lot of extra energy and time left over. My own life and problems are exhausting.
You seem to think that I've insulted you for wanting to take these actions. But the fact that I don't have your determination or interest in it doesn't mean that...
Well. I do think it's a fool's errand. But does what I think change your determination to do it one iota? I haven't noticed that you OR the wild girl give one tinker's damn what I think. And I'm certainly not stopping you from doing it
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It really isn't necessary for us to agree on everything.
Unless you find my opinion to be so offensive that you can't stand to associate with me any longer. And if so... Well. I don't know what to say. I think many people feel the way I do about this. I don't think it should be a crime either. I don't see any moral obligation to be a radical force of social change. It's a very high standard and I think it's completely unrealistic for most people.
My father always said that rapists were the scum of the earth, though. He said they were lower then any other criminal.
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Societal opinion, which turns into the people making up juries and deciding on cases like the one I was reading about, is still that women are physical possessions and the only ones that can held accountable for the attacks they suffer solely for physically existing. Just thinking about it makes me want to castrate the other half of the population, but I don't think it would help. Rape is never actually about sex anyway, its about domination and power. So basically society still has the ingrained opinion that women are and should be submissive to males, even after decades of fighting tooth and nail for the legal protection of our equality as human beings. And the easiest way for males to assert this domination is through physical force and brutality ( ... )
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But I think that society should not change too drastically. It works the way it is. Too much change would mean chaos and anarchy.
I have not met very many... submissive... girls, though. More the opposite. My father also said that any man who beat up a woman was a coward who should be locked up. But other than that, I don't know what to say.
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Change doesn't mean chaos, change just means change. And its the only way to ever improve living conditions and the social stratas.
...Sasuke, you are dating a frighteningly submissive girl. Not that there's anything wrong with Hinata, and that I don't love her dearly, but she is a very submissive and self-effacing girl. The Pink Bicycle is as well. Those mind games you're always complaining about her playing? That's her way of conforming to what she thinks men want from her, which is to say submiting herself to that mold ( ... )
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I don't believe the world can improve. It could hypothetically, but nothing really ever gets better. People are too greedy by nature.
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I'm not sure if Hinata is actually submissive or just acts that way out of fear or shyness. I don't treat her as submissive so I don't think of her that way. I think she wants to assert her will, so I'm trying to make her feel safe enough to do it. I'm not interested in being her master.
And I wish Sakura would cut it the hell out, whatever her motivation is. I've told her over and over again that I don't want her to act that way. She does it anyway. I don't think she's trying to impress me with it, therefore. I'm not impressed, and I've said so ( ... )
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That in mind, I'm going to make an effort to swallow my tongue and spare both of us the headache.
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I don't see the problem there.
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The problem is that you, whether or not you agree that it is unacceptable, refuse to act or see value in action, and so through your innaction support the argument that it is, in fact, acceptable for such behavior to be rampant and without consequence in our every day society.
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No. I don't think it's acceptable at all. Being resigned to the reality does not mean I approve of it.
Furthermore, if you think things can be changed, what course of action do you suggest?
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The only thing that has ever managed to create change, good or bad, has been an individual. A person has to voice a thought before others can hear it, a person needs to do something before others can react to it. What is a crowd Sasuke? What is a jury? What is society? Just individuals, a grouping of independent people. How things change is through outward ripples, one person talking to another and then another and spreading thoughts and arguments and solutions, offering options ( ... )
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You seem to think that I've insulted you for wanting to take these actions. But the fact that I don't have your determination or interest in it doesn't mean that...
Well. I do think it's a fool's errand. But does what I think change your determination to do it one iota? I haven't noticed that you OR the wild girl give one tinker's damn what I think. And I'm certainly not stopping you from doing it ( ... )
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Unless you find my opinion to be so offensive that you can't stand to associate with me any longer. And if so... Well. I don't know what to say. I think many people feel the way I do about this. I don't think it should be a crime either. I don't see any moral obligation to be a radical force of social change. It's a very high standard and I think it's completely unrealistic for most people.
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Jesus Christ Sasuke, I swear, it sounds like you want me to start blowing you off.
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Lets drop this subject now.
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