I didn't read the article in question, but I remember the punk culture in the UK being very white. It was associated with skinheads, though I was told that there was a schism in the subculture between the racist punks and their detractors.
But because of this, I don't think punk could really have influenced rap, which I've always seen as black music. I don't know how black people feel about it, but I do know that the Chinese and Japanese kids that liked rap were never interested in punk. They picked up on it's racist image.
Industrial is also a very white scene. I couldn't go to some of the shows in Manchester because the skinhead presence was overwhelming.
I wouldn't go to certain rap shows in certain neighborhoods either, frankly. I don't know if you would be much safer there.
It wasn't about Punk being an influence on Rap, it was about rap filling the vacuum in social voice that used to be filled by American hardcore. Punk as a scene basically checked out after Reagen's re-election due to the liquid and fluid nature of mass attention and youth alienation and disillusonment. In the space left, Rap has surged, speaking for the next wave of the suppressed and incensed.
If you want to get into racist aspects though, they can be applied to all forms of music. Rap can be just as racist against white kids as anarchist punk can be of black kids. All it's ever really been in any of the waves and movements was strays looking for tribes and bonding over what they obviously shared, which is usually racial segregation and elitism in any and all of its forms.
Rap and punk are both political, but I don't think they speak to the same audience or fill the same niche. I think that punk turned into industrial, EBM, new wave and a bunch of others. The heir to punk's political voice is in that group. Rap seems to have come from an entirely different source. I haven't noticed a lot of white punks listening to rap music, certainly not in the UK
( ... )
November 20th, you fucking pest. What's the hurry? Since when do you care about exact dates? And it took me two minutes to figure out what the hell you meant by 'vaig.' Christ.
But because of this, I don't think punk could really have influenced rap, which I've always seen as black music. I don't know how black people feel about it, but I do know that the Chinese and Japanese kids that liked rap were never interested in punk. They picked up on it's racist image.
Industrial is also a very white scene. I couldn't go to some of the shows in Manchester because the skinhead presence was overwhelming.
I wouldn't go to certain rap shows in certain neighborhoods either, frankly. I don't know if you would be much safer there.
Reply
If you want to get into racist aspects though, they can be applied to all forms of music. Rap can be just as racist against white kids as anarchist punk can be of black kids. All it's ever really been in any of the waves and movements was strays looking for tribes and bonding over what they obviously shared, which is usually racial segregation and elitism in any and all of its forms.
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Yes, we're still going.
That was a lot of chatter for nothing.
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
You're trying to annoy me. Stop it.
Reply
No, your just touchy today. And im not much better.
Reply
Leave a comment