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wykkdspet in fifthtrinity

Logically, are gods bound by truth?

Oct 14, 2007 22:18

So I was wandering around the Recovery From Mormonism board (yeah, I'm a happy apostate), and one of the discussions got me thinking pretty deeply. One of the tenets of the religion is that (throwing out the whole Christ and grace thing,) so long as one follows the commandments of God, he's bound to ensure that person's salvation. This is found ( Read more... )

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lilairen October 15 2007, 02:27:19 UTC

Wouldn't honesty and integrity to one's word be one of the most important characteristics of being a god?

Are you under the illusion that all gods are Lawful Good?

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 02:40:38 UTC

And here I didn't bring my D20 with me...

I'm not even vaguely trying to say that all gods are lawful good; I'm quite familiar with the many of the others, too. I'm trying to get across a concept of truth and intent in magic that I'm afraid I'm not doing a good job of putting into words. That's one of the reasons I've tossed this out here to so many varied communities.

twfarlan October 15 2007, 02:45:37 UTC

Not everyone works magick that way.

Gods lie. Gods steal. Gods cheat. Gods change their minds. Gods can be proven wrong. Gods can do wrong, and can repent of it. In myths that are held up as excellent examples of the gods as exemplars, as archetypes of human nature and even as guides through life, they are shown to be imperfect. When they speak, it can be a lie, but when they swear an oath, when they make a promise, that is when their words are binding. That is when you find resonant truth in what they say as opposed to seeing them work their will via direct action or even subterfuge and manipulation.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 04:26:13 UTC

Hm. I'll have to thank about that.

Thanks. : )

lilairen October 15 2007, 02:49:42 UTC

When dealing with a god of trickery, expect tricks.

When dealing with a god of deception, expect deception.

When dealing with a god of lies, expect lies.

When dealing with a god of riddles, expect riddles.

When dealing with a god of perversity, expect perversity.

When dealing with a god of the contrarian, expect the contrary.

When dealing with a god of chaos, expect to be surprised.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 04:25:27 UTC

Thus the gods are full of integrity, ie, whole and unbroken in their nature... yes?

lilairen October 15 2007, 04:30:04 UTC

Which has nothing to do with whether they do what they say.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 04:40:40 UTC

I think perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my attempt to convey a half-formed concept. Should a god of destruction look down on a city and say, "I will destroy you," without the integrity of unadulterated intent, the words are powerless, yes?

lilairen October 15 2007, 04:45:48 UTC

Speaking here as one specifically dedicated to a god of destruction, I fail to understand why such an entity would waste time posturing when smashing shit up is to be done.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 05:02:40 UTC

The initial question was posed to try to gather other people's views on the nature of god(s), and how that might tie in with the odd concept that was trying to force it's way out of my head this evening. I made the mistake of thinking that I hadn't conveyed that well enough to you, and so tried to clarify it with a hypothetical statement.

::laughs:: But you amuse me. Thank you. I needed that before bed.

lilairen October 15 2007, 05:14:17 UTC

Well, if you want to go to bed thinking you've made any sense, I can't stop you.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 05:18:47 UTC

If I'm so senseless, then perhaps you'd be better served using your intellect on another thread? I do thank you for your many responses, though; they've given me plenty to think about concerning human nature, if not the nature of divinity.

lilairen October 15 2007, 05:30:39 UTC

Some days, poking trolls with sticks is a worthwhile diversion.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 05:38:26 UTC

Odd; it seemed to me that I asked for general help in clarifying something, and you took it upon yourself to troll my question...

Funny that. You must be terribly bored this evening.

Oh well. Hope you have a lovely night.

lilairen October 15 2007, 05:46:55 UTC

You multipost something incoherently formulated to a variety of communities of wildly varying appropriateness, and you're surprised that you get Discordians answering you when that includes a Discordian community?

You had the option to start making sense at any point. I still don't know what you think the verb "say" means.

wykkdspet October 15 2007, 05:54:22 UTC

I'm not surprised at being answered by Discordians; as a matter of fact, I've not had a problem with anyone else. However, it seems that your main aim is contention rather than discourse. As I'm not particularly interested in that, I've wished you a good night several times, and I wish it to you again.

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