Comments | fid_gin: Were the Doctor and Rose doing it?

fid_gin

Were the Doctor and Rose doing it?

Aug 23, 2008 10:30

This question just popped up on my friends list, and as it's Saturday, and I've nothing to do and no writing projects going on and WAAAY too much coffee in my system, I've decided to fanwank about this a bit...

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solarflar3 August 23 2008, 18:49:14 UTC

I think they were, in the minds of the writers, though obviously it would never have been confirmed. I think the nearest we got was in Turn Left where Donna asks 'where you two....?' or something along those lines.

I cannot make my mind up if it started with Nine or Ten. If you look at Boom Town, how happy they all are. The Doctor himself has moved on from his Captain envy. To me that suggests that they have done the deed between The Doctor Dances and Boom Town simply because he no longer sees Jack as competition. He knows Rose is 'his'. Then there is the obvious angst and jealousy when he is watching in the monitor at Mickey and Rose going to a hotel.

So yeah, I do wonder if Nine and Rose got it on. But then maybe its just me and my obvious love for Nine that is making me see things that aren't there.

I do think that Ten and Rose were sleeping together regularly, you only have to look at Ten's face in Doomsday when he says 'You're not....'

That confirmed it for me.

fid_gin August 23 2008, 19:03:01 UTC

There is certainly a marked difference in the Doctor's attitude between TDD and Boomtown, however, I'm more inclined to believe that Nine and Jack had a discussion at some point where Very Clear Boundaries were drawn. For some reason, even though the sexual tension between them was so thick you could cut it with a knife, I just can't believe that Nine would go through with it. He had put her up a bit of a pedestal and felt tremendously responsible for her, and she viewed him as so much of an authority figure that I think he'd feel he was taking advantage of her.

He thought about it, though. ;)

sundance201 August 23 2008, 19:01:19 UTC

lolz, I totally agree. I've personally always thought that Ten and Rose started shagging right after School Reunion, but then they thought it'd be just a one-off thing. Then, after the whole Krop-Tor thing, they started shagging on a regular basis. But they were for sure sleeping together after Krop Tor.

But, like solarflar3 said above, I'm torn on whether or not Rose and Nine ever did it. Sometimes I think, they definitely did, their relationship was just so intense and a physical relationship would be so easy to imagine. But I also agree with what you said, how Nine probably wouldn't have actually gone through with it. But...I don't know. I flip flop. If they ever did, it was definitely after "The Doctor Dances", I mean...honestly. :P

papilio_luna August 23 2008, 19:05:03 UTC

If you were to have asked this prior to Journey's End, I would have said #1, no doubt, and I can even tell you when, in my personal canon. Between Idiot's Lantern and The Impossible Planet.

But I really feel like Journey's End kind of shifted things slightly for me. When Rose ate the face off Alt!Ten, to me that was a woman who's been frustrated for a long LONG time, and not just from being in a alternate universe.

Did they want to? Hell yeah they did. Like crazy insane horny rabbits.

I do agree with your assessment of her relationship with Nine though, and how it changed with Ten.

However, for the sake of sweet sweet porn, Ten and Rose can shag all they want on the TARDIS. I will not stop them. Also I currently have a sooper sekrit project based on David's quote about no shagging on the TARDIS. Cuz, you know, there's other places to shag than on board the ship, no?

fid_gin August 23 2008, 19:16:14 UTC

Apparently that is a point of contention for many folks, the kiss in JE - to me, it seemed more driven by relief that he did seem to have proven himself, in her eyes, to actually be the Doctor, hence now it was okay to kiss the hell out of him. Also, he'd just finally told her he loved her (which I don't believe he'd ever done, up to that point, the cad).

What I find to be a stronger argument for "Not shagging" is their reaction to each other after his not-regeneration. I was expecting them to full on make out at that point, and instead we just got a long, sweet hug, which I found very anti-climatic, honestly.

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fid_gin August 23 2008, 19:53:57 UTC

Hmm - interesting. I'd certainly caught the daddyissues between Nine and Rose, but I never ever got that vibe from Ten and Rose. The gum-spitting was a very odd little interaction, to be sure, but it didn't give me parental vibes as much as good-friends-I-will-hold-your-hair-while-you-vomit vibes. I never got the implied sexiness from that scene that so many others seem to have, for me it's the hand-to-hold speech and the Doctor's casual 'Yeah I was a dad FLASHFLASHIAMTOTALLYASEXUALBEINGHINTHINT', and of course, the Lewis/Sarge roleplaying and "Are you deducting?" Yes, Fear Her is a shipper's dream...the only thing that makes it watchable, frankly. :)

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chloris August 23 2008, 20:31:01 UTC

I very much come down on the side them not having sex. I do think Doomsday would have been the turning point though I could have picked 'that they really wanted to' as an answer as well.

Post time war I see the Doctor as having a lot a very serious issues around any romantic attachment. As Nine he sees her as someone to protect and take care of. This would put him off of having sex with her even though he wanted to and showed some serious jealousy over any other man she noticed.

Ten doesn't have the same 'daddy issues' with Rose as he did as Nine, but he has intense abandonment issues (which he also had as Nine but they got drowned by time war pain). I actually see those issues as very strong around School Reunion, which makes me think he stepped back from her then not forward. It's only in Doomsday, when she claws her way back to him that I see him able to go there.

fid_gin August 23 2008, 21:40:14 UTC

See, I find School Reunion a very interesting turning point for them, because of the fact that the Doctor basically throws the ball in her court, when she asks how many of them there have been traveling with him, he snots back "Does it matter?" And when she retorts with "Yes if I'm just another in a long line" he whirls on her with "As opposed to what?!" He wants her to say it, so he doesn't have to, because you're absolutely right about Ten's abandonment issues (and it doesn't look like those are going to go away any time soon, does it. *sigh*). Rose, God love her, doesn't let stuff like this go, and I can't help but think (hope) that this conversation was continued sometime between SR and GitF, sometime between when Rose presumably tracked him down to give him hell for letting Mickey come along, and when she completely changed her outfit between the two eps.

Yes, I have a filthy, filthy mind. ;)

chloris August 23 2008, 23:09:01 UTC

First, I'd like to note that I love your filthy mind and don't want you to clean it up even a little. *g*

I agree that some time passed between the episodes, possibly with Rose forcing a conversation about Sarah Jane and Mickey (since there's no way the Doctor would willingly bring it up). But at least enough time for the three of them to become comfortable with the idea of traveling together - or at least for Rose to come to terms. However, I just don't see Rose as aggressive enough to force the issue about sex and I see the Doctor as putting that off as long as possible out of fear of getting too close.

However, there is big difference between the show on my DVDs and the show in my head. The show in my head is much closer to yours. Except lets add in Jack, Martha, and Donna in addition to Rose.

ascendant_angel August 23 2008, 23:00:38 UTC

I think during her first year with the Doctor Rose was falling in love with him, and was totally in love with him by 'the parting of ways ( ... )

arabian August 23 2008, 22:24:27 UTC

As I wrote about in the original post:

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