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Nov 05, 2008 09:29

So, wait. Animals have rights, but not gays? I'm glad I got that clarified by the idiots in this state.

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buzz_overdrive November 5 2008, 22:47:56 UTC
I'm pretty ticked off about the Prop. 8 thing; the intellectual dishonesty of the pro-side simply astounds me.

I have to go back and find it, but an article I read suggested that the minority voters Obama was likely to draw out also tend to be rather socially conservative when it comes to homosexuals. Essentially saying that although these minorities would vote for Obama, they might also increase the yes vote on Prop. 8.

Please note: I'm not blaming the travesty of Prop. 8's passage entirely on minorities. I'm sure an appalling number of Caucasians voted yes, too. I am curious to see what exit polls in CA might suggest about how minority voters fell out across Prop. 8.

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fergus8 November 5 2008, 23:24:57 UTC
Unfortunately, I don't think the exit polls in this particular case will shed too much light, since they came out saying 48% yes and the true results were 52% (last time I checked this morning..they may have shifted since then). Which implies either that there were some shenanigans or, more likely, that because of the emotions involved people were hesitant to admit they voted for it even after having just done so. In either case, the exit poll data is likely flawed for that particular proposition.

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buzz_overdrive November 6 2008, 01:48:40 UTC
Good point. Unless I hear more that genuinely indicates shenanigans, I'm going to go with misleading self-reporting in the exit polls. It's more likely and a simpler explanation.

Back to our previous discussion: Rasmussen had a poll out this week (or late last) that indicated that Democrats were 20% more likely to answer exit polls than Republicans. It's a poll from this year but I wouldn't underestimate it as a factor in the 2004 elections, either.

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tas527 November 6 2008, 06:36:04 UTC
Yeah, I thought there were enough rights and compassion to go around. My bad.

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gypsy_kitten November 9 2008, 00:51:30 UTC
Also, you can hunt and kill an animal for the mere pleasure of the hunt. But, to disgard a bunch of cells in a uterus... Oh no.

I wanted to punch her in her "smart people" glasses when I saw that picture of her next to a slaughtered moose.

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