Grawp, who unfortunately survived the battle, is grinning outside a window as people chuck food into his open, drooling mouth, like he's some kind of grotesque fairground attraction.
That is my single least favourite moment in the whole series. :(
In fact, ending on an AK from Voldemort and an expelliarmus from Harry might have been really effective coming after a badass battle like that, because it would show that even though Harry can use dark magic and really cool hexes and things, he won't use them; he chooses to rely on disarming and stunning rather than instant death curses. (That would, of course, be dependent on him not having used both imperio and crucio in this book.) Ultimately, I think this would have worked especially well given that it would put Harry on the same level as Dumbledore; that is, able to use dark magic, but ultimately not willing to.
I don't think anyone could put that better! I felt that after seven books and King's Cross and the forest JKR suddenly saw the end in sight and was rushing towards it. Though why not leave out Grawp and add to the final duel in that case? Well, okay... But I see that all the time at work, authors suddenly starting to sprint to the finish line.
Thought-provoking stuff. I feel the pull of Luna was one of those organic elements that JKR stubbornly resisted, because she'd decided at the outset that Harry would end up with Ginny. Same as Remus/Sirius. The chemistry's there, but the author refuses to use it.
It's too hot to write an intelligent comment, but I really can't wait to see your take on the epilogue! Much love for this, as always. ♥
That is my single least favourite moment in the whole series
LOL! Yes, it's definitely one of the worst (although I find it difficult to decide which is worse, that or "BUT FLEUR'S BOYFRIEND IS GAY TOOOOOO!!!!" or whatever the line is from the end of HBP).
Though why not leave out Grawp and add to the final duel in that case?
Because Grawp has no personality or depth, and is therefore easier to write? *eyeroll*
The chemistry's there, but the author refuses to use it.
That's always bothered me about JKR's writing - you can almost feel when she's enjoyed writing something and when she's stuck rigidly to her plan for What Must Happen In This Chapter. R/S is an excellent example of that, as you say. (I'm not going to be so arrogant as to suggest she wrote R/T specifically and wholly to sink R/S, but I do wonder if that was the reason we hardly got a mention of Sirius in HBP. And it totally grated.)
I've read various comments from other authors - like Diana Wynne Jones, for example - who mention that their characters often do things they weren't expecting them to, and they've had to let them get on with it, even if it wasn't in the original plan. I don't really do fiction, so maybe I don't get how it works, but... I dunno, I guess if I did do fiction, and I had written characters who had started to move off in directions I hadn't anticipated, I'd be happy to have created characters who had enough personality to do that, you know? :-/
I suspect this reply isn't very coherent either, but it's hot here too! *dies from heat*
I guess if I did do fiction, and I had written characters who had started to move off in directions I hadn't anticipated, I'd be happy to have created characters who had enough personality to do that, you know?
Absolutely! Especially in fanfic: if they don't want to have sex, they damn well won't, and you can't force them. This applies across the board. You can always spot characters who aren't allowed autonomy. Tonks ruined Remus as a character, though he redeemed himself briefly with his 'shouldn't have married Tonks' thing. And though a lot of people were delighted to see Snape as a good guy, the damn Lily thing and the idea of a big plan on JK's wall, completely ruined the character for me.
And what's with Fleur's boyfriend? *mind boggles* You mean Bill? And the steaks? Am I missing something here that I should know? *confused* Perhaps the sun has fried what's left of my mind. :(
Sorry, I'm not only dying of hot but also ever-so-slightly drunk. :P I was talking about the thing where Tonks somehow manages to beat Remus into submission convince Remus that their love is TRU LUV by pointing out that Fleur and Bill are still going to get married even though he might be a werewolf. And werewolf=gay. In my head.
Christ almighty I think my cerebral cortex has actually melted. :/
Tonks ruined Remus as a character
I agree, and I'm glad it's not just me that thinks that. Even the "shouldn't have married Tonks" thing isn't ideal, because it's like he got backed into a corner and the only way for him to escape was by trying to run out on his wife, which - well, that isn't the Remus we all loved in PoA, is it? :( Although I think on the whole it's better than him being all, "Yes, I'm totally into Tonks, honest".
Oh, right, I see. Thank you! I complete forgot the gay werewolf thing. But he isn't a full werewolf, only bitten, so I suppose that makes him bisexual!
Yeah, I wasn't sober either: Friday night is never a good time for measured thought. Or any night!
Hope you enjoyed your wine! I had way too much and am not feeling too good, especially as my cat wakes me up at 5:30 every morning. :(
Thought-provoking stuff. I feel the pull of Luna was one of those organic elements that JKR stubbornly resisted, because she'd decided at the outset that Harry would end up with Ginny. Same as Remus/Sirius. The chemistry's there, but the author refuses to use it.
Yes yes yes YES. ;__; I do agree that JK initially thought that Harry should be with a redhead so that we'd have JamesxLily again, but was having too much fun writing Luna or something. Hmmm.
That is my single least favourite moment in the whole series. :(
In fact, ending on an AK from Voldemort and an expelliarmus from Harry might have been really effective coming after a badass battle like that, because it would show that even though Harry can use dark magic and really cool hexes and things, he won't use them; he chooses to rely on disarming and stunning rather than instant death curses. (That would, of course, be dependent on him not having used both imperio and crucio in this book.) Ultimately, I think this would have worked especially well given that it would put Harry on the same level as Dumbledore; that is, able to use dark magic, but ultimately not willing to.
I don't think anyone could put that better! I felt that after seven books and King's Cross and the forest JKR suddenly saw the end in sight and was rushing towards it. Though why not leave out Grawp and add to the final duel in that case? Well, okay... But I see that all the time at work, authors suddenly starting to sprint to the finish line.
Thought-provoking stuff. I feel the pull of Luna was one of those organic elements that JKR stubbornly resisted, because she'd decided at the outset that Harry would end up with Ginny. Same as Remus/Sirius. The chemistry's there, but the author refuses to use it.
It's too hot to write an intelligent comment, but I really can't wait to see your take on the epilogue! Much love for this, as always. ♥
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LOL! Yes, it's definitely one of the worst (although I find it difficult to decide which is worse, that or "BUT FLEUR'S BOYFRIEND IS GAY TOOOOOO!!!!" or whatever the line is from the end of HBP).
Though why not leave out Grawp and add to the final duel in that case?
Because Grawp has no personality or depth, and is therefore easier to write? *eyeroll*
The chemistry's there, but the author refuses to use it.
That's always bothered me about JKR's writing - you can almost feel when she's enjoyed writing something and when she's stuck rigidly to her plan for What Must Happen In This Chapter. R/S is an excellent example of that, as you say. (I'm not going to be so arrogant as to suggest she wrote R/T specifically and wholly to sink R/S, but I do wonder if that was the reason we hardly got a mention of Sirius in HBP. And it totally grated.)
I've read various comments from other authors - like Diana Wynne Jones, for example - who mention that their characters often do things they weren't expecting them to, and they've had to let them get on with it, even if it wasn't in the original plan. I don't really do fiction, so maybe I don't get how it works, but... I dunno, I guess if I did do fiction, and I had written characters who had started to move off in directions I hadn't anticipated, I'd be happy to have created characters who had enough personality to do that, you know? :-/
I suspect this reply isn't very coherent either, but it's hot here too! *dies from heat*
♥ and thank you, as always. :)
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Absolutely! Especially in fanfic: if they don't want to have sex, they damn well won't, and you can't force them. This applies across the board. You can always spot characters who aren't allowed autonomy. Tonks ruined Remus as a character, though he redeemed himself briefly with his 'shouldn't have married Tonks' thing. And though a lot of people were delighted to see Snape as a good guy, the damn Lily thing and the idea of a big plan on JK's wall, completely ruined the character for me.
And what's with Fleur's boyfriend? *mind boggles* You mean Bill? And the steaks? Am I missing something here that I should know? *confused* Perhaps the sun has fried what's left of my mind. :(
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Probably referring to the idea that lycanthropy in the series is an allegory for homosexuality and/or AIDS/HIV.
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edit: I mean, I don't know if it really is supposed to be that either.
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Christ almighty I think my cerebral cortex has actually melted. :/
Tonks ruined Remus as a character
I agree, and I'm glad it's not just me that thinks that. Even the "shouldn't have married Tonks" thing isn't ideal, because it's like he got backed into a corner and the only way for him to escape was by trying to run out on his wife, which - well, that isn't the Remus we all loved in PoA, is it? :( Although I think on the whole it's better than him being all, "Yes, I'm totally into Tonks, honest".
Meh. *Pours more wine*
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Yeah, I wasn't sober either: Friday night is never a good time for measured thought. Or any night!
Hope you enjoyed your wine! I had way too much and am not feeling too good, especially as my cat wakes me up at 5:30 every morning. :(
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I have no cats, but I got woken at 7 by the alarm I forgot to turn off, which was rage-inducing. :P
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Yes yes yes YES. ;__; I do agree that JK initially thought that Harry should be with a redhead so that we'd have JamesxLily again, but was having too much fun writing Luna or something. Hmmm.
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