for what is hate?

Jan 26, 2006 17:05

FOR THOSE WHO SAY THEY 'HATE' KIRITO (as a person) JUST BECAUSE OF HIS SOLO CAREER
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loucanet_ray January 27 2006, 00:54:02 UTC
Well... Those aren't any of the reasons why I don't like Kirito's solo career. <3

1st) Most of the songs suck (take "cannabis" as an example. It's horrible) ~ Not saying all of them do. "Plot" and "The sun" look a lot like PIERROT works. I don't deny their are 'not bad'.
But still, exactly for the reason that he wanted to do a different kind of work, is that it is not as good as PIERROT. At least, not enough to please my ears.

2nd) I don't like 'sold out' artists. By that I mean... Artists that _really_ do anything to sell themselves. Artists that does lots of different types of the same single just because they know there will be fanatic fans that will buy it. It's exploring people who love them. "selling themselves" is quite commom at such a world as the music industry. Most bands do it. PIERROT do it a bit. But not that much. Having a website where you have t pay to see stuff was reason enought to consider Kirito's solo career as "sold out" <3

3rd) I don't think he betrayed PIERROT. Not for a moment I thought that. To me, what happened was:
Kirito betrayed the Dictator Kirito
Even though he sayed that he wanted to change a bit ~ "Beeing completly contraditory" is quite different from that.
Take this line of one of FREEZE's songs, Smiley Skeleton:

"we're being manipulated by
right and wrong as measured by a paper-machier god
(..)
laughing as I brandish my katana over head."

As I'm almost sure you probably know, Fenix-san, Smiley Skeleton is a song against acculturation... Mainly, the kind of acculturation that USA loves to do. USA did not only sweeped away Japan's culture, but also Iraq and other countries in the world.
I totally agree with the lyrics of this song. What do a country have that makes it beautiful? Culture.
Where are the samurais? Where are the kimonos? Where are eveything that Japan had and used to make it "NIHON"? Forgotten, transformed into a "legend".
That song is the song that made me fall in love with PIERROT.

And what now? Kirito is taking photos in NYCity? Kirito is wearing a shirt with two girls kissing each other ((If you never thought of it, but for what I know, the 'lesbians-love' guys usually have is something originated at the USA)), Kirito is singing NIRVANA ~ Smells like teen spirits? Kirito is having only western guys as his support-band?

AS for what I remember, During the shows Kirito did for Marylçin Manson, he said something like:
"You Japanese fans of western musicians are too silly. You don't know music of your own country. You are all stupid."
Not exactly... Something like that.

Is it the same Kirito?

Too hypocrit to me.

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fenixsuzaku January 27 2006, 01:27:17 UTC
1. I've said it before, I respect everyone's tastes in music, it's perfectly alright to dislike the music from his solo career

2. just as with FOLLOWERS-only pages on the PIERROT website (which does need paid entrance), Kirito's site is the same, except it seems Kirito's site has less information for the general audience. that's just because Kirito's solo career has hardly started and there's not much info to begin with. I mean, you see his discography, biography, news, online shop, all free just like on the PIERROT site. but PIERROT's site has no 'diary', thus it seems like everything is 'free'.
I agree that the type-a type-b thing is very inconsiderate of the poorer fans, but I don't think it was ever considered during PIERROT's earlier releases. I mean, only recently (after MYCLOUD) has companies started selling the CDs in different types ne? it's like a new 'trend' that the companies choose to use to market their products. if Kirito protests, he will probably dropped from the label (as he's not one of those 'most coveted' artists like Gackt and Ayumi Hamasaki)

3. Dictator Kirito is an act. (for the heck of it, solo-Kirito may be an act as well.) it's the job of the artists to give the fans what they want to see.
personally, the only difference between Kirito and Dictator Kirito I see is that Kirito smiles more. he doesn't become 'soft' all of a sudden. Dictator Kirito sings ballads just as softly and emotionally as solo Kirito. and I see no offense in a smiling Dictator.
Kirito went to the USA to mix his solo album (because, you have to admit America has some of the most sophisticated musical equipment seeing that America is an 'entertainment-oriented' continent
from Neogrotesque and yuuyami suicide PVs, you can see that this isn't the first time lesbianism and Kirito have been in the same room.
Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit is one of the most 'best rated' songs of all time.
the keyboardist and drummer were both Japanese, as well as Mai, a support drummer at one of the live locations. the entire tour crew were Japanese. the guitarist speaks fluent Japanese. the bassist has a distinct British accent. even if the entire band were American, race does not judge musical ability.
when he talks about Western musicians, he could be talking about those pop artists who are only there for good looks. he could be referring to the fact that the fans don't listen to music produced by Japanese artists. Kirito's music isn't Western. it's produced by himself, Japanese.

I'm sorry I'm so persistent, but it just really hurts me to see how people hate him for his dream.
I have no offense against you. please understand.

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loucanet_ray January 27 2006, 01:59:12 UTC
1) Yup. True o.o

2) Like I've said at another of your posts at LJ... I don't exactly blame Kirito. But all the circunstamces together. The company/label...
And I also don't like when PIERROT does that ((But as I said, it kinda happens to most artists ~ With some more than with others))
Kirito is also being cover of most magazines out there. Too many! It's not normal. It's too much "selling by image". I didn't comment that before because it's also usual with major musicians. But again, with some more than with others.
With Miyavi and Gackr, for example, witch I consider "sold out" artist... It happens a lot. They are in almost all magazines. Image... Image... No music.

3) I don't care If it's an act of if it's not. He created it. And I love that character. No matter it's real Kirito or not. He can't just simply kill that character when there are tons of people that love it.
If, from the start, he wantes to smile and be himself.... Why did he create such a character?
If he have done it until now, it's almost an obligation to keep acting.

If what he wanted was mixing songs. Why did he do such a photoshoot album? A big and expensive one, actually. Not a coincidence. It was also part of his plans...

From Neogrotesque you can see a VERY HARSH critique about that 'lesbians-love'.... Or do you think they are wearing nurses' uniforms with no reason?
Match nurses' uniform and hot lesbians and you get any Usa guy's dream. Kirito was criticizing ~ Heeelllo?!

At Yuuyami Suicide, you also have a gay couple and a masohyst couple.

I'm not saying Smells like teen spirits is not a good song. I, myself, like it. But Kirito would usually say they should love Japanese music better than western.
Not that I have ever thought he "hate" western music. I even read an interview where he would say western bands he likes. But, onstage, he used to "act" only for-Japanese music.
Yes. Race does not judge muscial ability, I'm not saying that. Never did.
I'm just saying Kirito used to say that teenagers should give more credit to Japanese music/musicians... To love their own country music. When he hires western musicians or goes to USA to mis his songs, he is indeed putting western/american characteristis to his music.
Not that "rock" itself was Japanese. It's Brittish ~ I know. No need to tell me that xD! But he's each time giving more and more western aspects to it. Instead of doing what he have said before, witch is "making it Japanese-like".

((Right now I remembered Kagrra ~ and their "neojapanesque" movement))

No need to sorry yourself. It's a discussion. All good discussion is welcome <3 I'm not taking it as an offense. And I hope you're not doing it either.

I think I have reasons enought to hate his solo career (not him). And if it was his "dream"... Why did he "waste" 10 years with PIERROT?

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loucanet_ray January 27 2006, 02:06:30 UTC
PLEASE do NOT misunderstand my last sentence !!!!!
I was IRONIC!!!! ~ I am NOT saying, in any ciscunstances, that I think Kirito does not consider PIERROT.
I KNOW HE DOES!
That's exactly why I was sarcastic/ironic.

PIERROT means a lot to him... As he have said tons of times. So... It is only natural to me to think PIERROT, since the indies times, was his dream. Isn't it?

When you say the solo career is his dream. It looks like PIERROT was never that loved by Kirito. It seems he was only waiting the right time to do a solo career.
But he loves PIERROT... we know. That's why I don't think the solo career is a "dream". I don't like to see treat it as if it was.

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loucanet_ray January 27 2006, 02:08:14 UTC
*I don't like to see people treating it as if it was.

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fenixsuzaku January 27 2006, 02:35:46 UTC
2. well, if you look, he's only been on the covers of 'rock' magazines. FOOL'S MATE and ultra veat both are magazines in which PIERROT appears very often (so it's natural that he appears on them too). in order for magazines to sell, they need to cover the most popular artists. plus, Kirito doesn't just do photoshoots. more often than not, he writes his own articles in the magazines (shiko kairo and THE PAST OF CONFUSION are both compilations of his articles on various things like advice columns and his own editorials)
even if it isn't music, I still say Kirito's literature is a part of himself, and it shows he is working at things other than his appearance

3. I suppose I can't say anything if you don't like the solo-tour Kirito, and I'm not trying to make you love him.
dictator Kirito smiles too. not as often as solo-Kirito, but he still smiles often enough to be labeled a 'dork'...
I suppose you are right about him planning on that photoshoot. it's not exactly wrong to want to take photos in a beautiful city right? as far as I can see, the only way you can tell he's taking photos in America is the fact that there's English signs and American people. otherwise, it looks like any other urban centre. but the fact that it was shot in USA probably attracts buyers who have never been there.
you're probably going to say this is going to be another point to your 'sold out' theory? I have to agree ^^U

I'm not saying Kirito is supporting lesbianism. you just said it yourself:
hot lesbians...Kirito was criticizing ~ Heeelllo?!

if Kirito wore a gay shirt, there's no telling if people will get the wrong impressions and think he's looking for men (XD; even though he is probably gay)

if Kirito said they should love Japanese music more than Western, then I'd say he's being racist. I think he just wants the crowd to pay more attention to Japanese-produced music and give it a chance instead of blindly following after Western stars only for their popularity

and about the Western guitarist and bassist: keep in mind that KIRITO wrote the music. the Western musicians are just there to play what Kirito has written for them. if you read the credits in his album, the entire recording crew (guitars, keyboards, bass, effects) is Japanese. meaning his solo music is at least originally Japanese-made.
Universal Music (PIERROT's former label) is based in the United States - so if Kirito mixing his music in America means he's making his music 'Western', then PIERROT's music must be 'Western' too - yet we still love it.
also, 'mixing' the music doesn't necessarily mean changing it. it just means putting the different parts together (guitar, bass, drums, vocals, etc. are all recorded separately in the studios when compiling an album) and thus no recorded music (by the all-Japanese recording members) is changed. Kirito plays guitar in all of his solo album songs.
if there really was a difference between the ways Americans and Japanese 'mix' their music, then I have nothing to say.

(I never knew rock was British XD;)

I'm not saying solo career's been Kirito's only dream! his band is very important to him, but we can all see that he's a very independant person. maybe that's why he wants to explore new kinds of music by himself?
but wait! maybe we should reword it and say his solo career is his 'ambition'. as a side-project while he continues on with the dream called PIERROT.
one person isn't limited to one dream right? and his PIERROT dream has come true (and continues to be)

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loucanet_ray January 27 2006, 02:52:00 UTC
Mind If I answer this tomorrow? XD

*reaaally busy*

By the way ~ I never see you online at msn o.o

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fenixsuzaku January 27 2006, 02:52:59 UTC
sure~
erm...MSN hates me XD;
I'll try and get on sometime...maybe on the weekend? ^^U

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juusuikan January 27 2006, 23:34:55 UTC
Actually I really really really don't wanna barge in to your guys conversation but fenixsuzaku motivated me to unscratch the thoughts what I wanted to say so I'm gonna try. but you know what happens when you scratch something once and then try to understand it

But I think my main point was the 3rd statement.
It's always good to discuss about other persons life. But you should also consider leaving a hint that you care whether the person had a real reason to 'act' dictator way and why 'stopped' doing it. It's deeper topic and you should take under-advisement about it. Perhaps you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
^____^
Ok.
/end of this stupid spampost.
I lost my energy

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