Well, it looks like the pot has been stirred [up]!

[chreebomb]

Obviously, redindigo was onto something when she posted about heteronormativity and heterocentrism, at least judging from the 312 commentsSo, I'll risk appearing the angry, man-hating separatist dyke and attempt to move this conversation to the next level

Comments

[naath]

I don't see how the shirt is inherantly 'wrong' - wrong for *you* yes, but not for everyone. If I saw a shirt that said "Red Sox are the best" I wouldn't get it - I don't care for $sport and I don't care for $team and I don't know who the Red Sox are... but some people do, and some people love them

[naath]

Also, yay for the information.

[chreebomb]

you know, i realize you put a lot of time into this comment. but the point of this post was to provide a way for heterosexuals to become more familiar with the concepts of heteronormativity and heterocentrism.

you're already arguing in redindigo's original thread. so keep your disagreements in that thread, k?

thanks.

[kahvi]

OK. So help this heterosexual. Is the heterocentrism that the store sells only 'het' shirts and not 'gay' shirts, or is it that the shirt described exists at all? I realize and agree that assuming that a potential buyer is heterosexual is wrong, but does that mean that shirts for heterosexual women should not be sold?

This might be somewhat off your intended topic, but I am genuinely looking for information and opinion on this.

[lifeisacabaret]

Surely your comment is not intended to be serious?

The tendency is for people who are privileged to fear they are being attacked or threatened when a minority expressed a desire to be allowed to exist in the world. Lesbians are "man haters," etc.

No one is saying that t-shirts that reflect heterosexual desires should be banned! I shouldn't even have to be saying this.

[kahvi]

No, I agree. You shouldn't. But chreebomb's reply to naath made me wonder. I was just asking for clarification.

[chreebomb]

no, you definitely have no obligation to.

this is your friendly neighborhood announcement that it is not the responsibility of The Gays to educate. (but some of us like to anyway. it's that attraction of my head to my desk)

[celandinex]

It isn't necessary to be rude; questions are good.

Life is a cabaret, remember? ;)

[lifeisacabaret]

Those who give advice so rarely use it themselves.

[celandinex]

I don't think anything was rude about my post? Overall, I dislike the use of emoticons, but intentionally put the ;) as a friendly reminder to encourage questions.

It was a genuine response.

[lifeisacabaret]

I know what your intent was. Allow for the possibility that your approach and your perspective might not be the only valid one.

[celandinex]

Well, it is my belief that being snobby does little for the feminist cause. Or much else, actually. It is a great way, however, of keeping all your "knowledge" to your oh so feisty self.

Have a nice day. ;)

[lifeisacabaret]

Interesting, since you seem so happy to engage in it.

I am sure that your pearls of sage advice and kindly wisdom are eagerly relished by all those who you grace them with. By all means, don't waste them on me. ;^D

[celandinex]

I am sure that your pearls of sage advice and kindly wisdom are eagerly relished by all those who you grace them with.

Well, that's the kindest thing you've said yet. Really now, I think this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship!

[lifeisacabaret]

Wonderful, since "kindly" is the single most valuable and valid way a feminist can express.

I am so glad we are finally seeing eye to eye.

[celandinex]

Our last few messages haven't really been about feminsim, now have they?

Eye to eye? Maybe. But I think it's more like ear to ear.

"Awkwardness makes the world go round."