More on Charney

[vcrbeauty]

Adding to last night's American Apparel discussion, here's an article detailing CEO Dov Charney and his antics. There's are also excerpts from the Jane magazine article and it's idiot reporter Claudine Ko.

http://www.blacktable.com/graham050720.htm

Comments

[scarletscorpio]

It is a fact taht prodiction is moving overseas, it is inevitable, for most sectors. The domestic production side of thigns in Montreal will be gone in 1o years and there is nothing we can do to change that.

The global market is changing drastically, and whilet here are things about it that are awful, one must undesrstand that moving these jobs overseas is not something that sould be fought against. I realize the working conditions, I have seen the factories, and they are still some of the most sought after jobs for those in poorer countries.

I'm not saying that I think that it is all ok, but what will happen is taht production will move to these poorer coutnries, raise the standard of living and the economy of said country.

This shift in economy means we must adapt, we are very well off, being in 1st world countries, so we should learn to move with this inevitable change.

I think what needs to to be noted is that what we need to fight for are improved international labour laws, and not for protectionism of a market that cannot compete or sustain itself locally. There are prety much no more production jobs locally here.

Beleive me, I have done a lot of research on this matter, since working in this industry has caused massive amounts of grief and ethical dilemmas.

Labour laws are what I see being the whole point of this.

Please read The End of Poverty: Economic Possibilities for Our Time by Jeffrey Sachs, makes many good points.

[veile]

"It is a fact taht prodiction is moving overseas, it is inevitable, for most sectors."

I don't think things are inevitable - likely perhaps, inevitable no. The moment we stop fighting is the moment we die.

"The domestic production side of thigns in Montreal will be gone in 1o years and there is nothing we can do to change that."

So, people should just be resigned to losing their jobs and not fight for unions and benefits and keeping their jobs?

"The global market is changing drastically,"

Yes and no. As long as capitalism has been around it has sought out new, cheaper markets. It is the same story all over again.

"and whilet here are things about it that are awful, one must undesrstand that moving these jobs overseas is not something that sould be fought against."

Why? Because we should just support capitalism, because it is the current system? I don't think so. The only reason jobs get sent overseas is because capitalists can exploit the workers in those countries even more than in others. By supporting jobs get sent overseas, workers who live in more developed countries lose their jobs or if they don't their is that threat so they watch their rights get eatten away (and often times they see it in a racist tone blaiming the foriegn workers instead of connecting the dots that it is the boss screwing both workforces over by pitting them against one another). Then workers in these poorer countries work in horrible jobs.

"I realize the working conditions, I have seen the factories, and they are still some of the most sought after jobs for those in poorer countries."

How could you possibly justify these conditions like that. Of course they want the jobs, but it isn't right that they get treated like crap and they certainly don't want that. I don't think you think it is really alright, but you keep making excuses for capitalist expansion.

"I'm not saying that I think that it is all ok, but what will happen is taht production will move to these poorer coutnries, raise the standard of living and the economy of said country."

You are so missing it. You ARE saying it is okay. All you are doing is making excuses. If workers were to unite then they would have a decent standard of living. Capitalism is not the solution to these people's problems. Worker's solidarity is.

"This shift in economy means we must adapt, we are very well off, being in 1st world countries, so we should learn to move with this inevitable change."

Why do you think anything is inevitable? Are you that jaded to really think that people don't have any control? Working people have power in numbers and if they fight in solidarity anything can happen. And on to needing to adapt, what do you mean by that? So, people in more developed countries should just let themselves lose their jobs and get retrained for the service sector, probably part-time casual work without benefits and all that and people in the lesser developed countries should be happy to get these horrible jobs? No. What needs to happen is organization everywhere in the world.

"I think what needs to to be noted is that what we need to fight for are improved international labour laws,"

Yes!!!

"and not for protectionism of a market that cannot compete or sustain itself locally."

I don't support the market. The market is irrational. I don't support capitalism. I support the workers - all of them. My point is that supporting jobs overseas isn't helping the problem. Focusing on organizing workers everywhere is.

"There are prety much no more production jobs locally here."

It is not just there, but this is a massive problem and the solution is not support of sending jobs overseas.

"Beleive me, I have done a lot of research on this matter, since working in this industry has caused massive amounts of grief and ethical dilemmas.

Labour laws are what I see being the whole point of this."

I wouldn't say the whole point as I think the whole point is a lot more than laws (and enforcement), but a fundamental changing of the entire economic system, but aside from that 'hell yeah!'