Hmm, now, I'm not sure about that one. I'm remembering Sam, Dean and Bobby all being completely astounded by Ruby's knife in Mag7, and the line, "What kind of knife can kill a demon?", then Bobby saying, "Up until now I would have said there wasn't any such thing." We don't know that Jim and Bobby knew each other (for sure), but since they were both close to John, one would assume they'd had contact of some sort. So would Jim have a demon-killing knife, yet Bobby had never heard of such a thing?
That's what I'm saying (sort of). With the scarcity of demons on which to try the thing out, we don't know that it would have killed Meg. But Jim obviously thought it would do some serious damage, because that's the weapon he went for. And since Meg caught it, we'll never know.
It might even have been something of Jim's own devising. And I'm fairly certain it would have been forgotten between the time "Salvation" was written and shot, and when "Mag7" was written. There was a whole season intervening, and Pastor Jim only got a handful of mentions (three, by my count), so it's not surprising that the writers would forget about it.
But watching the scene last night, I was surprised to notice that Jim when for a special dagger with etchings on it, in an attempt to thwart Meg.
Make of it what you will. It's just a bit of throw-away trivia that caught my attention last night.
It's good trivia and something that I have brought up before a few times. (I'd leave links but am on my phone.) John knew Jim because he was an expert in demonology and he also met Caleb and the Harvelles through Jim. He met Bobby likely because of their shared past in demons killing their wives and due to Bobby's reputation as a good source for supplies... But they never really got along and Bobby did and had lots of things that John considered too risky or dangerous, per the whole shotgun dismissal when they last saw each other. I often wondered if many of the things in John's storage unit were actually items he "removed without permission" from Bobby's to try to keep him safer.
This is information from outside the show, yeah? 'Cause the show doesn't allude to any of this. It makes for an interesting chain of relational events, though
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It's hard for me to respond to a post like this without mentioning the whole "what's canon" debate, I guess: There is a massive amount of information in John's journal and in the comics that have been blessed repeatedly by Kripke as the aspect of the story that they didn't have time for in the show itself. (The novels never got that level of endorsement.) Everyone rightfully has their own idea of what canon encompasses and what it doesn't, so I should have prefaced my reply.
For what's it worth, I *absolutely* do not regard anything other than aired Show material to be canon. The comics are ridiculous and contradict the show right and left, and I don't think the tie-in novels are meant to even agree with each other (and they don't), let alone serve as canon. I do use the online John's Journal material here and there, just as something to springboard off of, but again, I don't view it as cast-in-stone canon because the show contradicts it now and then.
As far as "Kripke's blessing" goes, I think that's more a legality than anything else. And consider the fact that the novel his assistant wrote is full of factual errors.
Okay, so... now I'm really perplexed. If I were to say I did have a story about God's Eye, be it character notes or otherwise, I suppose it wouldn't matter now, since other sources besides TV episodes appaz have no merit? Which is it?! LOL
Your confusion is contagious. You say you have character notes with background on Jim's dagger? Like, Kripke!fic?
I look at tie-in materials the same way I look at fanfiction. It's nifty-neato, and if it fits the source material, have at. (One of my favorite pieces of tie-in material is my Northern Exposure cookbook. It reads as if it was actually written by the characters. The character voices are so freakin' clear, I can hear the actors' voices in my head as I read it.) But I don't take it as source material canon. I might call it "almost canon," which is what I did in the Numb3rs fandom. The writer/creators might say that their intent was thus-and-so, but if it didn't show up in the ep, or if the creators changed their approach, whatever showed up on the screen was canon. Peripheral stuff was "almost canon." It could have been canon, but didn't quite make it.
I discuss the concept a little bit in the community profile for real_numb3rshereI might call the Kripke-blessed tie-in items "official fanfic." "Official" in that they
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Warning: I'm in questionably weird headspace right now, so if this post makes no sense or seems unnecessary, I apologize.
I also hope I didn't put you off yesterday by my rambling. Don't know if I came across too harsh or whatever, but that was not my intent.
It seems this is what happens when I spend entire work days with no one else darkening my door. The only interaction I have is with my f-list, and I tend to become very verbose, perhaps unduly so.
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It might even have been something of Jim's own devising. And I'm fairly certain it would have been forgotten between the time "Salvation" was written and shot, and when "Mag7" was written. There was a whole season intervening, and Pastor Jim only got a handful of mentions (three, by my count), so it's not surprising that the writers would forget about it.
But watching the scene last night, I was surprised to notice that Jim when for a special dagger with etchings on it, in an attempt to thwart Meg.
Make of it what you will. It's just a bit of throw-away trivia that caught my attention last night.
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It's hard for me to respond to a post like this without mentioning the whole "what's canon" debate, I guess: There is a massive amount of information in John's journal and in the comics that have been blessed repeatedly by Kripke as the aspect of the story that they didn't have time for in the show itself. (The novels never got that level of endorsement.) Everyone rightfully has their own idea of what canon encompasses and what it doesn't, so I should have prefaced my reply.
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As far as "Kripke's blessing" goes, I think that's more a legality than anything else. And consider the fact that the novel his assistant wrote is full of factual errors.
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I look at tie-in materials the same way I look at fanfiction. It's nifty-neato, and if it fits the source material, have at. (One of my favorite pieces of tie-in material is my Northern Exposure cookbook. It reads as if it was actually written by the characters. The character voices are so freakin' clear, I can hear the actors' voices in my head as I read it.) But I don't take it as source material canon. I might call it "almost canon," which is what I did in the Numb3rs fandom. The writer/creators might say that their intent was thus-and-so, but if it didn't show up in the ep, or if the creators changed their approach, whatever showed up on the screen was canon. Peripheral stuff was "almost canon." It could have been canon, but didn't quite make it.
I discuss the concept a little bit in the community profile for real_numb3rs hereI might call the Kripke-blessed tie-in items "official fanfic." "Official" in that they ( ... )
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I also hope I didn't put you off yesterday by my rambling. Don't know if I came across too harsh or whatever, but that was not my intent.
It seems this is what happens when I spend entire work days with no one else darkening my door. The only interaction I have is with my f-list, and I tend to become very verbose, perhaps unduly so.
So, anyway, sorry 'bout that.
Have a grand weekend.
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