Well, time is fluid. Changing the future does change history, but altering the past does it in a different way than altering the future would do. Maybe I'm being too esoteric...
Maybe at the time, Cas asked Baltie to unsink her so that lives would be spared, and that was the only explanation given or needed. The "in for a penny" as it were. It wasn't until Fate called Cas on the change that B realized that there was something fishy afoot (pun intended).
Even then, MHWGO wasn't so much about changing the past being wrong as it was about saving lives being wrong (because who is to say that those souls all would have been available to Cas for his war machine - the logic doesn't pan out - he ultimately reversed his reversal to save the boys) ... and what a departure that thinking is from five years ago, when people were saved no matter what the cost. Now the boys can see the balance of the universe in action, something they never would have experienced when they were simply young, human boys looking for their father.
Anyway, I ramble. The red herrings have red herrings! LOL
I think I'm a much more linear thinker than you are. :-) 'Tis why I asked. I'm looking at the scene in a more linear fashion. We were not presented with any indication that history had been changed, so it never occurred to me as a possibility. I was wondering if someone with a less constantly linear approach, who thinks farther outside the box, saw the "obvious" explanation of a history change.
I got to thinking about the logic of MHWGO, too, and wondered what Cas's logic was.
I can appreciate the boys learning balance (though Dean is still all about the "saving people" portion of the mission *smishes him*), but I think what bothered me about all of that in MHWGO is Cas's change in attitude toward humans. Back in "Great Pumpkin," he admired humans as God's handiwork and masterpiece. Now, with the Titanic thing, they seem to be a means to an end, unless he has a personal relationship with them.
I can appreciate the boys learning balance (though Dean is still all about the "saving people" portion of the mission *smishes him*), but I think what bothered me about all of that in MHWGO is Cas's change in attitude toward humans. Back in "Great Pumpkin," he admired humans as God's handiwork and masterpiece. Now, with the Titanic thing, they seem to be a means to an end, unless he has a personal relationship with them.
So very true, and an important distinction that this sentiment was something that Sammy never lost... until he was soulless, that is. And since angels don't have souls the way that we define it, Castiel's actions make sense but are still tragic.
TLDR comments from me, LOL, but I loved this season and I wish I'd had time to continue the reviews. Maybe someday.
Maybe at the time, Cas asked Baltie to unsink her so that lives would be spared, and that was the only explanation given or needed. The "in for a penny" as it were. It wasn't until Fate called Cas on the change that B realized that there was something fishy afoot (pun intended).
Even then, MHWGO wasn't so much about changing the past being wrong as it was about saving lives being wrong (because who is to say that those souls all would have been available to Cas for his war machine - the logic doesn't pan out - he ultimately reversed his reversal to save the boys) ... and what a departure that thinking is from five years ago, when people were saved no matter what the cost. Now the boys can see the balance of the universe in action, something they never would have experienced when they were simply young, human boys looking for their father.
Anyway, I ramble. The red herrings have red herrings! LOL
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I got to thinking about the logic of MHWGO, too, and wondered what Cas's logic was.
I can appreciate the boys learning balance (though Dean is still all about the "saving people" portion of the mission *smishes him*), but I think what bothered me about all of that in MHWGO is Cas's change in attitude toward humans. Back in "Great Pumpkin," he admired humans as God's handiwork and masterpiece. Now, with the Titanic thing, they seem to be a means to an end, unless he has a personal relationship with them.
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I can appreciate the boys learning balance (though Dean is still all about the "saving people" portion of the mission *smishes him*), but I think what bothered me about all of that in MHWGO is Cas's change in attitude toward humans. Back in "Great Pumpkin," he admired humans as God's handiwork and masterpiece. Now, with the Titanic thing, they seem to be a means to an end, unless he has a personal relationship with them.
So very true, and an important distinction that this sentiment was something that Sammy never lost... until he was soulless, that is. And since angels don't have souls the way that we define it, Castiel's actions make sense but are still tragic.
TLDR comments from me, LOL, but I loved this season and I wish I'd had time to continue the reviews. Maybe someday.
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