Y'know what? I think I'm only keen on seeing Mark Ruffalo's Bruce Banner as a guest in the movies of other superheroes. I'm not convinced that he's going to be any more able to carry a movie on his own because, in the end, it's not the actor that's the problem with Hulk movies. It's the problem of building an interesting plot around that one character. But throw Hulk into the mix with another superhero and I think things could get more interesting.
As far as the insulting word for vagina is concerned, I'm not sure that "oh kids won't understand" is much of a defence. I'm pretty sure plenty of kids will have found out by now and heck, when I was little I'm pretty sure I didn't know what a "motherf***er" was either. - Of course, how bad swearing in movies actually is for children is another matter. The point is that if you've already decided swearing in movies IS bad for children then letting that particular word in seems like a bit of a strange move...
I must say though, I remember growing up with Red Dwarf where a lot of the insults were pretty much entirely made up. "Gimboid" referred to nothing at all and while "smeg" does refer to something it's not really known for being used as an insult. Then again that really was an out-and-out comedy, not a drama with comedic elements.
I can see that as a problem, and I'd be fine if the Hulk didn't get another feature to himself, I just want more of him in the next thing, whatever that is.
I didn't mean it quite as a defence, as such, because I don't think it's a big deal for kids of the appropriate Avengers age to have some obscenities - not necessarily effing and blinding, because that would be weird for this sort of movie, being basically...wholesome?, but a few swears now and then never hurt. I meant more for little kids. Honestly, though, 'quim' is hardly going to make the ears of any older kids bleed, and is probably tamer than the way they chat (I say this not as a 'kids these days!' rant, but kids/teens love swearing, so it goes). And it was the baddie who swore, so there's a lesson for them young'uns (I imagine that's at least distantly what the filmmakers, or at least the censors, thought).
So did I. Little kids don't understand the f word either, but that's not an excuse to put it into children's movies. This word that Loki uses is essentially the archaic equivalent of the c word. I presume you wouldn't give the same pass to the word c**t?
I don't really have that big a problem with them using this word in the movie, but it does surprise me that the filmmakers felt justified in using it.
Well, it's not actually a movie for little kids, though; it's not as if Shrek said it. If 'cunt' had been said, I'd have been flabbergasted, because there's that big scary taboo around it, but not actually bothered. Stateside, anyway, they could have gotten away with a 'fuck' or two, being a PG-13, and I don't think that's any less vulgar. (That said, it's slightly disingenuous to equate 'quim' & 'cunt' despite the meaning, I find, because they're really not the same level of vulgarity. I think the only other time I'd seen 'quim' employed casually is in jovial Victorian erotica. 'Pussy' is more vulgar than that, surely, and that's used without batting eyelashes.)
I'm really boggled that people are quite as upset about this as they are. 'Quim'! Such a quaint little vulgarity causing such a big bother, at least 'netways.
I must admit, I haven't checked the age ratings for films in about 10 years, so I had no idea that this was a "12A" and not a "PG" in the UK. "12A" (as opposed to "12") was created so that children between 8 and 11 wouldn't miss out on "Lord Of The Rings", so I think that's pretty suitable for this. I feel a bit embarrassed at not having looked this up before.
(I have a much bigger problem with "Terminator 3" having a 12A when that movie involves someone having a fist punched through their chest and appearing all bloody out the other side of them. That especially upsets me when "Amelie", of all films, has a 15. - Some people are shown having an orgasm? Oh dear, how inappropriate! *facepalm*)
I think that quim is definitely a worse word than pussy. Pussy can be used as a term of offence but that would generally mean you were calling someone weak or cowardly. As sexist as that usage is, it doesn't have the characteristic of reducing women to their private parts that both the c word and "quim" have. A more suitable comparison (which I must admit kind of shocked me when I heard it used IRL) is the word "gash", which might not have the same infamy as the c word but still definitely has the power to shock. But I must say I think the thing that is so shocking about the use of that word in "Avengers Assemble" (and even if we simply agree that it is perfectly acceptable for the word to be used in this movie, surely you still accept that it was shocking all the same) is not the word itself but rather Loki's delivery of it. The sudden useage of a word for women's genitalia as an insult towards a specifically female character with such a sharp and venomous delivery really felt out of place in a movie where heated arguments between the good guys involved no swearing whatsoever.
Surely "quiff" is a kind of style of hair (as in, on your head, so not the same bodily area at all)?
And I've never heard of the word. So any connotation here in America is lost, most likely.
I don't think the word is widely known in the UK either (and certainly not normally with the word "mewling" preceding it), but I think the context makes pretty clear what Loki means by it.
Lol, you know I'd never heard that referred to that way before. Always heard it referred to as "fanny fart" (which, come to think of it, must sound particularly bizarre considering the difference between the UK and US understanding of "fanny").
LOL! Indeed, cuz here, of course, every fart would be a "fanny fart." I do like finding out all these little differences between the two brands of English language.
As far as the insulting word for vagina is concerned, I'm not sure that "oh kids won't understand" is much of a defence. I'm pretty sure plenty of kids will have found out by now and heck, when I was little I'm pretty sure I didn't know what a "motherf***er" was either. - Of course, how bad swearing in movies actually is for children is another matter. The point is that if you've already decided swearing in movies IS bad for children then letting that particular word in seems like a bit of a strange move...
I must say though, I remember growing up with Red Dwarf where a lot of the insults were pretty much entirely made up. "Gimboid" referred to nothing at all and while "smeg" does refer to something it's not really known for being used as an insult. Then again that really was an out-and-out comedy, not a drama with comedic elements.
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I didn't mean it quite as a defence, as such, because I don't think it's a big deal for kids of the appropriate Avengers age to have some obscenities - not necessarily effing and blinding, because that would be weird for this sort of movie, being basically...wholesome?, but a few swears now and then never hurt. I meant more for little kids. Honestly, though, 'quim' is hardly going to make the ears of any older kids bleed, and is probably tamer than the way they chat (I say this not as a 'kids these days!' rant, but kids/teens love swearing, so it goes). And it was the baddie who swore, so there's a lesson for them young'uns (I imagine that's at least distantly what the filmmakers, or at least the censors, thought).
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So did I. Little kids don't understand the f word either, but that's not an excuse to put it into children's movies. This word that Loki uses is essentially the archaic equivalent of the c word. I presume you wouldn't give the same pass to the word c**t?
I don't really have that big a problem with them using this word in the movie, but it does surprise me that the filmmakers felt justified in using it.
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I'm really boggled that people are quite as upset about this as they are. 'Quim'! Such a quaint little vulgarity causing such a big bother, at least 'netways.
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(I have a much bigger problem with "Terminator 3" having a 12A when that movie involves someone having a fist punched through their chest and appearing all bloody out the other side of them. That especially upsets me when "Amelie", of all films, has a 15. - Some people are shown having an orgasm? Oh dear, how inappropriate! *facepalm*)
I think that quim is definitely a worse word than pussy. Pussy can be used as a term of offence but that would generally mean you were calling someone weak or cowardly. As sexist as that usage is, it doesn't have the characteristic of reducing women to their private parts that both the c word and "quim" have. A more suitable comparison (which I must admit kind of shocked me when I heard it used IRL) is the word "gash", which might not have the same infamy as the c word but still definitely has the power to shock. But I must say I think the thing that is so shocking about the use of that word in "Avengers Assemble" (and even if we simply agree that it is perfectly acceptable for the word to be used in this movie, surely you still accept that it was shocking all the same) is not the word itself but rather Loki's delivery of it. The sudden useage of a word for women's genitalia as an insult towards a specifically female character with such a sharp and venomous delivery really felt out of place in a movie where heated arguments between the good guys involved no swearing whatsoever.
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And I've never heard of the word. So any connotation here in America is lost, most likely.
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Surely "quiff" is a kind of style of hair (as in, on your head, so not the same bodily area at all)?
And I've never heard of the word. So any connotation here in America is lost, most likely.
I don't think the word is widely known in the UK either (and certainly not normally with the word "mewling" preceding it), but I think the context makes pretty clear what Loki means by it.
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