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gillo in fantas_magoria

Back to Series Four

Jul 27, 2016 00:34

And in many ways back to the beginning. All first episodes of this show are, at heart, about the same thing. Who is Buffy? What is a Slayer? Is it possible to be both, and which comes first?

( All these, and other questions, under the cut. With pics. )

rewatch, 401 the freshman

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trepkos July 27 2016, 07:18:45 UTC

Definitely would have liked to see more of Sunday; There's a fic - Sunday Girl which takes a closer look at how she might have got where she was. Not sure where that is now (apart from my hard drive). Not sure where Giles got the idea that she didn't need a Watcher any more. Do you think Joss was already planning to give Joyce an aneurysm back then? Or did he just pick up on it later?
I did find it odd the way Buffy was SO easy to beat, and then came back strong again. I didn't really like seeing her all sorry for herself - the packing crates weren't ON the bed - she could still have had a nap there. I did love Oz, trying to pretend he wasn't completely at home there.

shapinglight July 27 2016, 16:36:21 UTC

Do you think Joss was already planning to give Joyce an aneurysm back then? Or did he just pick up on it later?

Who knows with Joss? I suspect he was planning it, though, given that he has Faith foretell the coming of Dawn in one of the final episodes of season 3, a whole season before she even arrives.

Not sure where Giles got the idea that she didn't need a Watcher any more.

Me neither. Very odd. I suppose he must mean he doesn't think she needs to train with him any more, rather than that she doesn't need him at all.

I did find it odd the way Buffy was SO easy to beat, and then came back strong again.

I guess it is a bit exaggerated, but I think her finding the transition from high school to college more difficult than Willow does works well. Willow's always known she would go to college, whereas for Buffy, doing well enough in her SATs to get in was a big shock. She thinks she's stupid, which is something Sunday picks up on at once and uses against her.

gillo July 27 2016, 19:49:12 UTC

Not sure where Giles got the idea that she didn't need a Watcher any more.

Me neither. Very odd. I suppose he must mean he doesn't think she needs to train with him any more, rather than that she doesn't need him at all.

At this point he was still sacked from the job, remember, even though Wesley had moved on.Technically he was right. And some of it was probably just trying to get rid of Buffy with Olivia there!

shapinglight July 28 2016, 11:42:32 UTC

And some of it was probably just trying to get rid of Buffy with Olivia there!

Heh! Very understandable.

It could also be seen as the beginnings of Giles's doubts about his presence even being good for Buffy - or feeling that as long as he was around she would lean on him when she shouldn't be.

gillo July 27 2016, 20:21:55 UTC

I read that Kristine Sutherland asked for a reduced load in S4, as she wanted to spend time in Italy with her family, and Joss agreed, but told her he needed her back for S5 as he was planning to kill her then. So it wouldn't surprise me to discover it was planned in that detail.

I think the ease with which Buffy was beaten the first time is mostly symbolic, as she had "lost herself" in the upheaval of moving from school and home to college. She had to learn that in the end she could only depend on herself; when key parts of her past were attacked in the form of Mr Gordo and the umbrella she found the anger and energy to attack and reclaim her identity.

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