Re: During the lecturestocksgrrlJuly 27 2007, 13:05:20 UTC
Turtle's note just happen to include a pretty darkly humorous stick figure drawing regarding the trolley scenario with certain people in mind and she'd trying her best not to giggle.
Re: During the lectureashockingbitchJuly 27 2007, 14:40:04 UTC
Jenny spent the lecture fighting to stay awake. Due to this, her 'notes' consisted of a few places where her pencil slipped across the page and not much else.
Re: DiscussionstocksgrrlJuly 27 2007, 13:12:18 UTC
"I think the means can justify the ends," Turtle said resolutely after a moment, "but it's all just so situational and the situations where it does are extremes. But life usually isn't extreme. Like the stealing example. Why does he have to steal to feed his family? How hard has he tried alternate options? Is it his poverty that holds him back from finding a job, or is it just that he's lazy or idealist and refuses a few options that are available to him because he doesn't like them or it's easier to steal then it is to work?"
Luke was quiet for a while before saying, "I think I fall more on the 'greatest good for the greatest number.' Principle is all well and good--and there are definitely lines you shouldn't cross--but standing there and doing nothing just so you can feel morally superior? That's a waste."
He gripped his hands together. "At home, there was a weapon built entirely to destroy planets. When it was used, it killed billions in seconds. I helped destroy it--and there were thousands of people aboard the thing when it blew. If I second-guess myself thinking about how many of the people who died might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'd never get out of bed in the morning. All choices have consequences. You make the choice and you pay for it."
"Greatest good for the greatest number," Jenny said. "Bugger who you have to kill, threaten, or blackmail. You can debate all you want about the end justifying the means, but the means can't justify the end, that's for bloody well sure. If you sit around because of your precious rules and let everything go straight to hell in a sodding handbasket, what good are you but a waste of space?"
Jenny was very much not thinking about the decade or two she had spent sitting around not doing anything...
Play Prisoner's DilemmaidontlooktiredJuly 27 2007, 09:56:35 UTC
On the computer terminals. See what happens when you can decide your partner's stance, and also what happens when you play long enough to establish a pattern.
Re: Play Prisoner's DilemmagirlzippoJuly 27 2007, 22:53:22 UTC
Charlie frowned at the game, realizing that she and her dad both ended up with the Golden Rule strategy, and both stayed prisoners because of it... but then again, that depended on both of them not wanting to hurt the Shop operatives.
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Given their new evil overlord temporary principal, he had a feeling this was going to rapidly become a matter of practical application.
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He gripped his hands together. "At home, there was a weapon built entirely to destroy planets. When it was used, it killed billions in seconds. I helped destroy it--and there were thousands of people aboard the thing when it blew. If I second-guess myself thinking about how many of the people who died might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'd never get out of bed in the morning. All choices have consequences. You make the choice and you pay for it."
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Jenny was very much not thinking about the decade or two she had spent sitting around not doing anything...
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Too bad this game didn't have an 'escape' option.
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