discussion: candidates and their platforms

May 24, 2008 16:39

This is a cut and paste of all the candidates platforms linked from here.

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sutlers May 25 2008, 16:48:25 UTC
I'd like to raise some concerns about vichan's candidacy, re: the discussion I had with her in this thread on this post where she revealed that she participated in the spamming of the news posts during Boldthrough. As I stated on my journal, I don't necessarily trust her to maintain her professionalism in regards to fandom, especially since in those comments she has said she "doesn't regret" what I consider extremely juvenile behavior.

I do support rm and legomymalfoy, though I wish both of them would participate in the discussion more, to address the concerns that the people above me have raised. rm especially seems to have an fandom-friendly and free-speech friendly stance, and I like that she is a member of the OTW. legomymalfoy's extensive experience with both fandom and LJ also speak in her favor. I am not as pleased with the emphasis on basic accounts and the search engine in her platform; to me, it smacks of treating the symptoms and not the disease (which would be fandom's concerns with censorship and clarity in communication). Plus, I don't really want yet another search engine that I have to jump through 20 hoops to opt out of (lookin' at you, LJSeek).

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vichan May 25 2008, 18:29:01 UTC
Coming to my own defense here. I hope that's all right.

Opinion is appreciated. I knew that spamming would come back to bite me. :)

During Boldthrough, I had voiced my concerns legitimately and professionally, and I felt that my voice had been lost and ignored, as several others did.

It was only after voicing my concerns that I took the low road. I was starting to see the LJ staff as something of a joke because of their complete lack of response, and I was very much beginning to see my presence on LJ as a joke because it felt like the staff simply did not care whether or not I was here. In a way, I saw my little LJ world crashing down around me. Several people on my friends' list had deleted their journals, and some of those friends had been there for years. To this day, I still don't know where some of those friends went. I miss them, and I blame LJ for their absence.

Do I regret it now, several months later? Partially. I know that it accomplished nothing, and I also know that their response (or lack of response) would have remained the same with or without it. However, knowing that they are giving us this opportunity to actually communicate with us rather than flat-out ignoring what we're saying gives me hope for the future. This is more than I ever expected at the time of Boldthrough. Additionally, I gave LJ a clean slate when SUP came into the picture.

Strikethrough and Boldthrough, once you boil them both down to the lowest denominator, were examples of horrible customer service. This is why I am running on a platform of communication and customer service. I know that LJ, at the core, is a business. They are here to make money. However, LJ is a truly unique business unlike any other. The users are their customers and their product. If LJ does not provide satisfactory service, they lose both their customers and their product in one go.

I understand both fandom and the 'internet lulz' sides of this election. In fact, some supporters of the 'I did it for the lulz' faction have come out and said that they support me because I seem to be the only candidate who gets both sides, and believe that I will not isolate one side or another.

I know I will probably never change your mind in regards to my professionalism, but I can assure you that I am perfectly capable of it. Especially now, when I think it will actually accomplish something for this community.

(Although my running is now becoming a moot point. I suppose this makes me Ron Paul.)

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icarusancalion May 25 2008, 21:38:17 UTC
Coming to my own defense here. I hope that's all right.

Of course it's all right, and thank you.

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sutlers May 25 2008, 21:40:58 UTC
Thank you for coming to your own defense! It's always better to hear the defense from the candidate themselves, rather than take the word of people who are speaking for the candidate. It's why I am holding off making my final decision re: legomymalfoy and rm. I think candidates should absolutely be involved in this discussion.

It was only after voicing my concerns that I took the low road.

I still think that this is a completely inappropriate course of action. What it looks like to me is "They're not listening, so I am going to throw all of my professionalism out the window and throw a tantrum." What's to say it won't happen again? All the spamming did was contribute to LJ's already less-than-stellar perception of fandom as a whole, and I think that you should have been able to see that.

Unfortunately, I don't think this election is about "lulz." It's about how we want to present ourselves to a business, and how to be taken seriously by that business. That isn't to say having a sense of humor isn't a plus, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, and you crossed it when you let your frustration get the better of you and started spamming news.

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sutlers May 25 2008, 21:46:11 UTC
Added: It's fine in a fandom comm, say, fanficrants when people spam trolls with macros, but you have to remember that LJ is not fandom, and we can't always play by fandom's rules with them.

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vichan May 25 2008, 21:49:04 UTC
I completely accept your opinion on that, and I definitely see your side of this. Personally, I don't blame you. I just feel differently. (As an aside, there were a few people participating in the spamming that aren't a part of fandom.)

Unfortunately, I don't think this election is about "lulz."
Sorry; I think you misunderstood me on that. The election itself isn't about 'teh lulz,' not by a long shot. I mean that fandom is an enormous percentage of of the userbase here, but another large part on LJ are the users that are here because the internet itself can be quite humorous.
[EDIT: And those users are mostly supporting candidates who are considered off-topic here, so I'll refrain from going into more detail on that. ^_~]

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seperis May 26 2008, 00:21:12 UTC
Please feel absolutely and utterly free!

I knew that spamming would come back to bite me. :)

*raises hand guiltily* I think I did some of that as well. Not on a very large scale, but one comment for my account adn one for every community I moderated or owned. I didn't get to every community I belonged to. *G*

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seperis May 26 2008, 00:24:11 UTC
Considering you're winning in third choice, I don't think it's moot quite yet. The fifty percent rule is making it interesting to calculate; this is one of those rare times I wish I'd taken statistics. I understand how they're doing this, but I'm still trying to work out the projection formula, a project for which I am so ridiculously unqualified for it's funny. Yet strangely intriguing.

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vichan May 26 2008, 02:22:02 UTC
My Google-fuu serves me again: Data analysis.

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seperis May 26 2008, 02:26:36 UTC
I love you like a lot right now.

The only odd thing that keeps popping up is the multiple for one person. As in, first, second, third all vote same candidate. I think that's going to be a factor in the end, especially since a lot of early voters were still doing that and I still see people recommending it.

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elfwreck May 26 2008, 04:11:42 UTC
I'm a strong supporter of "when the sane and sensible approach has not worked, try something ridiculous and annoying."

I firmly believe that without the incredible spamming and string of mindless rage posts throughout Strikethrough and Boldthrough, 6A would've blithely gone back to business-as-usual and tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug. I believe it's likely they would not have sold LJ, had there not been a constant attention-demanding string of "I AM STILL PISSED AT YOU" comments on every official announcment--and those would not have happened without the precedent set in the immediate Strikethrough backlash.

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