I just want to make sure everyone has seen this buried subthread

[scarah2]

We report child pornography to the NCMEC, as required by law.

Scroll down to markf's reply in particular. It's heavily implied that ponderosa121 and elaboration were reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Harry Potters Children.

I'm going to check innocence_jihad and if this isn't already there, I'm gonna crosspost it. Sorry if you see it twice, but I'm finding that a

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[component]

I just thought I'd mention that the AFA has decided to jump on the bandwagon concerning obscenity. I don't think it's a coincidence that they sent out this bulletin to anyone who subscribes to their news letters at the same time that LJ finally decides to come forward with so called "clarifications". Here's what their current e-mail says, just for reference.

Please help us get this information into the hands of as many people as possible by forwarding it to your entire email list of family and friends.

Protect our children from obscenity; sign the petition asking candidates to enforce obscenity laws

Pornographers go after our children while elected officials refuse to enforce obscenity laws

Dear Kirsten,

Our children need your help! It has been reported that there are as many as 10,000,000 pornographic sites on the Internet. The average age for those first exposed to Internet obscenity is 11 and the largest consumer group is 12-17 year-olds. Nine out of ten of 8-16 year-olds have viewed pornography online. Yet, in the past 15 years, under both the Clinton and Bush administrations, there has not been a single federal prosecution of a major distributor of Internet, in-room movie, cell phone or cable TV obscenity. Not one! (There were a couple of prosecutions of small, mom and pop type pornographers.)

The major pornographers have no fear of prosecution. Why? Because those responsible for enforcing the law fear the pornographers more than they fear the mothers and fathers of America, and they care more about the hawkers of pornography than they do our children.

Our children are being robbed of their childhood by greedy pornographers and cowardly officials. Please understand that I’m not referring to trashy TV. I am referring to hardcore pornography.

For a description of the kind of material bombarding our children, and the kind of material officials refuse to prosecute, click here. WARNING! This description is taken straight from movies being offered in hotels, on the Internet, on cell phones and on cable TV. It is graphic and extremely offensive.

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[janeaverage]

I despise how these so-called "family" groups are always screaming "MAKE A NEW LAW!" instead of "Hey, where are these kids' parents?"

[component]

My thoughts exactly. That said you can't shelter your kid forever, but I think if parents would just explain this shit to their children this wouldnt be a problem.

[janeaverage]

Or, you know, not leave their 8-year-old alone on a computer with unfiltered internet access.

It's a difficult concept, I know, but... :P

[scarah2]

Harry Potter doesn't have internet! Harry Potter, won't you think of him please.

[sovayfox]

no, he's a douche.

[component]

*agrees* I think a lot of it has to do with society as a whole. We've been raised to think that having a career is the essential thing you need to worry about in life. People who believe this shouldnt be having kids in my opinion. Making money is important, but taking care of your kids should take precedence over everything.

[janeaverage]

*gasp* But didn't you KNOW? Children don't need to be taken care of, really. They just exist to give you unconditional love. Kind of like a dog. And to look pretty in impractical clothes your great-aunt Esther buys them. Kind of like a doll. And to do chores so you don't have to. Kind of like a robot...

[scarah2]

And don't forget, to be pedo-ized by all fandoms!

[soundandvision]

thank you! someone else who thinks the same thing, god forbid parents actually parent and watch what their children do.

[quaedam]

IAWTC times a fucking thousand. Child predators would find *properly educated* children a much harder target than those kept in enforced ignorance and actually *encouraged* to feel guilt and shame about everything sex-related. That way of raising a child only absolutely *ensures* that theyll have no idea how to defend themselves or what to defend themselves against, that theyll never tell anyone what happened to them if they are molested, *and* that the unwarranted guilt the child then attaches to the memory of even a relatively mild such incident will make their lives miserable for years afterwards.

[component]

Definitely. I wonder if my parents warning me about pedos when i was a kid can be considered tantamount to endangering my innocence ;) :P

I've been on the internet since i was about... 13. Kids are smarter than people, say for instance in the AFA, give them credit for.

[scarah2]

Here's a few I saw from an expert on TV one time.

1. Don't make kids express physical affection if they don't want to. Tell them no one can make them do that. Make them greet or say goodbye to Aunt Mildred politely and verbally, don't make them kiss/hug her. Tell them that is for only them to decide.

2. Teach them self defense. Even simple things like just yelling where they are (I'm in the alley behind the school) and what is going on (I'm getting beaten/raped/my iPod is being stolen) and what anyone hearing should do (call 911)

3. This is an important one: Primary Crime Scene and Secondary Crime Scene. Primary crime scene is often semi-public. Parking lot, street, bus stop. That's where the victim gets picked up from. Secondary crime scene is the woods where they unearth the victim's jaw 20 years later. You don't want to go to the secondary crime scene. If someone tries to lure you into a vehicle, the proper response is "You'll just have to kill me right here, asshole." I've actually done this before, with good results!

I have no information on how to protect fictional Harry Potters though. :(

[component]

OH NOZ!!

[quaedam]

I like number one a lot. . .especially given the number of people I've heard tell unpleasant stories about uncles/cousins/older relatives/friends of the family who were basically allowed, *by the child's family*, to inflict all sorts of creepy quasi-flirtatious kissing and touching and so forth upon them--with the idea that, well, it's just Not That Big of a Deal, or can't possibly really have meant what it *did* mean, or been what the child *knew* even then that it was.

[scarah2]

Keeping in mind that 'Aunt Mildred' may be completely benevolent, his point was that it's simply a bad lesson to teach children that they are not in charge of their own physical expression of affection.