You must take photos of you having pancakes in Walt & Jesse's Dennys! I will cry!!
Walt was... Oh God help me... actually trying to be helpful.
Yeah I think Walt really did want to stop Jesse beating himself up over the lost ricin. But Walt was helping himself too. If Jesse couldn't find the ricin anywhere and if he felt sure that he hadn't lost it then Jesse might go back to his original (correct) theory that Huel took it out of his pocket. Walt needed to give Jesse closure to save himself from suspicion. I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Walt needs to be worshiped and appreciated. And like you said, he's not getting that appreciation from Skyler (or Junior) but Jesse fulfill that need. And in the process, Walt is becoming more emotionally dependent on his relationship with Jesse.
Skyler and Junior have both drifted away and found substitutes for Walt in the last year - Skyler with her affair with Ted and Junior finding a surrogate dad in Hank. Walt never intended to have any sort of emotional investment in Jesse. Originally Jesse was just supposed to be Walt's IN to the meth business, not a partner Walt would've chosen to work with. But I think Walt (like Laura Roslin!) really wanted to live a little before he died. Jesse brought a lot of chaos and excitement into Walt's life. He gave Walt an adventure and nobody else in Walt's life had ever given him that. Like you say, Walt was addicted to the thrills and the danger and just look how boring things got after Jesse left.
Sadly for Jesse their "adventure" was just him being put through hell and having his life left in ruins. Walt may have become de-sensitized to all the violence and corruption but Jesse could never grow that thick skin.
'Say My Name' was my favourite episode of the first half of S5 and yeah, the main reason is the Walt/Jesse argument.
I'd love to hear your answers to the questions. I've posted some of my own thoughts above. Maybe I'll have to write a big Walt/Jesse speculation post sometime? Thank you so much for your support of these recaps. Your feedback has made it worthwhile for me.
I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Unforeseen bonus?? Unforeseen bonus?????. Oh, fuck me. I hate you Walt. No I don't but yeah I do. You despicable human being.
I've posted some of my own thoughts above.
Yeah, I've seen it and I'm in total agreement with everything.
1) What do you consider to be the best episodes or scenes for the Walt/Jesse relationship so far? The usual suspects - The Fly, 4 Days Out/Over, ABQ... and Box Cutter. I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
2) Where do you predict that Jesse is at the time of Walt's Denny's flashforward?
In danger. ;)
3) What would be your ideal ending for the Walt and Jesse story?
I... truly don't know. One part of me wants Jesse to be completely fee of Walt but another part cherish that relationship and I want Jesse to be there for Walt until his last moment. I think I'll be ok with anything as long as it's done well. Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
LOL. Just to say that was my phrasing not Gilligans. But yes, the way he described it was Walt not intending for Jesse to have an emotional breakdown but seizing the opportunity when it came along to manipulate Jesse further.
I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
I know what you mean but I do love a lot of the S5 Walt/Jesse scenes. Particularly the big scenes they share in Madrigal, Say My Name and Gliding Over All. The fucked-up-ness doesn't put me off!
In danger. ;)
*grins* Like Saul's awesome secretary says, Walt and Jesse are always in danger.
I'd love Walt and Jesse to reconcile somehow before the end but I can't see it happening unless Jesse never learns the truth. Mind you, I never thought that my boys Gaius and Felix would reconcile and somehow they did. I'd love a Walt and Jesse equivalent of that coffee and cigars scene from 'Blood on the Scales'.
Walt was... Oh God help me... actually trying to be helpful.
Yeah I think Walt really did want to stop Jesse beating himself up over the lost ricin. But Walt was helping himself too. If Jesse couldn't find the ricin anywhere and if he felt sure that he hadn't lost it then Jesse might go back to his original (correct) theory that Huel took it out of his pocket. Walt needed to give Jesse closure to save himself from suspicion. I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Walt needs to be worshiped and appreciated. And like you said, he's not getting that appreciation from Skyler (or Junior) but Jesse fulfill that need. And in the process, Walt is becoming more emotionally dependent on his relationship with Jesse.
Skyler and Junior have both drifted away and found substitutes for Walt in the last year - Skyler with her affair with Ted and Junior finding a surrogate dad in Hank. Walt never intended to have any sort of emotional investment in Jesse. Originally Jesse was just supposed to be Walt's IN to the meth business, not a partner Walt would've chosen to work with. But I think Walt (like Laura Roslin!) really wanted to live a little before he died. Jesse brought a lot of chaos and excitement into Walt's life. He gave Walt an adventure and nobody else in Walt's life had ever given him that. Like you say, Walt was addicted to the thrills and the danger and just look how boring things got after Jesse left.
Sadly for Jesse their "adventure" was just him being put through hell and having his life left in ruins. Walt may have become de-sensitized to all the violence and corruption but Jesse could never grow that thick skin.
'Say My Name' was my favourite episode of the first half of S5 and yeah, the main reason is the Walt/Jesse argument.
I'd love to hear your answers to the questions. I've posted some of my own thoughts above. Maybe I'll have to write a big Walt/Jesse speculation post sometime? Thank you so much for your support of these recaps. Your feedback has made it worthwhile for me.
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Unforeseen bonus?? Unforeseen bonus?????. Oh, fuck me. I hate you Walt. No I don't but yeah I do. You despicable human being.
I've posted some of my own thoughts above.
Yeah, I've seen it and I'm in total agreement with everything.
1) What do you consider to be the best episodes or scenes for the Walt/Jesse relationship so far?
The usual suspects - The Fly, 4 Days Out/Over, ABQ... and Box Cutter. I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
2) Where do you predict that Jesse is at the time of Walt's Denny's flashforward?
In danger. ;)
3) What would be your ideal ending for the Walt and Jesse story?
I... truly don't know. One part of me wants Jesse to be completely fee of Walt but another part cherish that relationship and I want Jesse to be there for Walt until his last moment. I think I'll be ok with anything as long as it's done well. Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
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Me too! That's my dream ending!
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LOL. Just to say that was my phrasing not Gilligans. But yes, the way he described it was Walt not intending for Jesse to have an emotional breakdown but seizing the opportunity when it came along to manipulate Jesse further.
I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
I know what you mean but I do love a lot of the S5 Walt/Jesse scenes. Particularly the big scenes they share in Madrigal, Say My Name and Gliding Over All. The fucked-up-ness doesn't put me off!
In danger. ;)
*grins* Like Saul's awesome secretary says, Walt and Jesse are always in danger.
I'd love Walt and Jesse to reconcile somehow before the end but I can't see it happening unless Jesse never learns the truth. Mind you, I never thought that my boys Gaius and Felix would reconcile and somehow they did. I'd love a Walt and Jesse equivalent of that coffee and cigars scene from 'Blood on the Scales'.
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