Reading your favourites and your predictions it seems our thoughts are definitely correlating. I was looking back over my Walt/Jess recaps and the longest ones were for Fly and Half Measures. Fly is the quintessential Walt & Jesse episode for me though the last two episodes of S2, S3 and S4 have all had some epic Walt/Jesse moments too. I just hope the S5 climax will be just as focused on their relationship. Other fans have speculated things like "What if Walt is coming back to rescue Junior?" which would be plausible but...yeah, I'd be bummed too. It just seems like the final act should come back to the core partnership. Walt's family has actually become secondary even though Walt's original motivations were all about his family.
My two main theories for "Where is Jesse?" in the flashforward are a) hostage cook and b) jail too. If it is Jesse that Walt has come back for then Walt's 'Live Free or Die' bumper might apply more to the person he's rescuing. If the cancer's back then Walt has no choice but to die. However, Walt's final act might be to ensure that his partner gets to 'live free' so Walt will try to save Jesse from either prison or meth lab enslavement.
I'm really torn on the 'Should Jesse learn about ALL Walt's betrayals?' issue. I think Jesse not finding out could be just as tragic as Jesse finding out. Part of me wants to protect Jesse from further trauma and part of me wants to see Aaron Paul get another epic acting opportunity if Jesse learns the terrible truth. To be honest I struggle to see Jesse having a happy ending of any kind. When I'm predicting Jesse's final resolution I'm thinking a) death, b) jail, c) mental institution. And I can't decide which option is the least painful!
I also struggle with the popular theory that Jesse will roll on Walt. There's part of me that thinks Jesse and Hank teaming up to bring down Walt would be the best thing ever. Yet there are two factors that make me doubt this scenario - a) the show has made so much of Jesse's undying loyalty to Walt and b) Jesse and Hank seriously hate each other. I do think it's likely that Hank figuring out Walt will have Hank twigging that a) Walt was with Jesse and Tuco out in the desert during his supposed fugue state and b) it must've been Walt who arranged the phone call about Marie being in a car-crash to save Jesse from being arrested. So Hank may well look to Jesse as a potential informant, but yeah...it's still hard to believe those two would work together given their history with each other. Unless maybe it becomes a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' type deal. But I agree that Jesse turning on Walt could be out of character if they don't give Jesse a strong enough motivation.
With Walt, I'd be shocked if he didn't die, particularly since Walt has been marked for death since the Pilot. For me the question with Walt is simply HOW he will die and I still think it'll be in jail from cancer rather than a machine gun shoot out. I wasn't sure if that was the same Dennys from 'Boxcutter' but thanks for the confirmation!
It just seems like the final act should come back to the core partnership. Walt's family has actually become secondary even though Walt's original motivations were all about his family.
I agree totally! They REALLY need to give us some closure on that aspect of the show. Because it really is about those two at this point.
However, Walt's final act might be to ensure that his partner gets to 'live free' so Walt will try to save Jesse from either prison or meth lab enslavement.
Walt definitely needs to be "all sacrificial"...
Part of me wants to protect Jesse from further trauma and part of me wants to see Aaron Paul get another epic acting opportunity if Jesse learns the terrible truth.
That would be an awesome scene. Aaron Paul is freaking incredible. It's a tough call though. I mean if Jesse did find out (and his head didn't immediately explode) what could he do? Kill Walt? And then what? That would be even worse for him cause he would lose anything that is left of his innocence. He's just not cut out for that kind of thing. Like when he confronts Walt about poisoning Brock - if he had really wanted to kill him he could've just shot him, no questions asked but I think he wanted Walt to convince him otherwise. He didn't want to believe that Walt was capable of doing that. He was just as hurt about the betrayal as he was angry. I think you and others have said he is willfully deceiving himself and I think that's true. So, I don't know...
When I'm predicting Jesse's final resolution I'm thinking a) death, b) jail, c) mental institution. And I can't decide which option is the least painful!
I keep thinking he'll end up dying in Walt's arms after throwing himself in front of a hail of bullets to save Walt's worthless life and then Walt will go batshit crazy (along with the audience). My alternate (and completely inplausible and wishful thinking) theory is that Walt and Jesse will end up with only each other left and Jesse will care for Walt until he dies of cancer and then go to art school and do something useful with himself. :)
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And why can't I make your comments that I'm responding to be in italics?
If you want to put my comments in italics in your LJ reply then you need to put < i > at the start of the sentence and < /i > at the end of the sentence. Only remove the spaces between the i's an the >
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LOL, quite. That said, I don't think Walt is gonna get a redemption story. Walt may fool himself into thinking he's the sacrificial hero. But if he is on some mission to rescue Jesse I think Jesse would be horrified by Walt going on a machine gun rampage and claiming he's doing it for Jesse. The last thing Jesse wants is for more people to die.
I mean if Jesse did find out (and his head didn't immediately explode) what could he do?
Well, I think this is where my 'mental institution' theory comes in. I don't think Jesse could bring himself to kill Walt. Jesse was so traumatized after killing a stranger, I don't think he could cope with killing his partner and father figure, even if he did know about Walt's betrayals. But I do think knowing the truth would destroy Jesse and I fear he might even attempt suicide.
My alternate (and completely inplausible and wishful thinking) theory is that Walt and Jesse will end up with only each other left and Jesse will care for Walt until he dies of cancer and then go to art school and do something useful with himself. :)
I do like the idea of Jesse 'breaking good' in the end. My sentimental future fic idea was that Jesse would get out of jail at age 50 and just as Walt started leading a bad life at age 50 Jesse would start leading a good life. But that idea seems far too twee for BB.
I do like the idea of Jesse being the only one at Walt's bedside when he's finally dying of cancer. Or maybe Walt will be completely alone but he'll imagine seeing Jesse by his side? Like, you've said, it'd be good to get a sense of how much Jesse means to Walt.
My two main theories for "Where is Jesse?" in the flashforward are a) hostage cook and b) jail too. If it is Jesse that Walt has come back for then Walt's 'Live Free or Die' bumper might apply more to the person he's rescuing. If the cancer's back then Walt has no choice but to die. However, Walt's final act might be to ensure that his partner gets to 'live free' so Walt will try to save Jesse from either prison or meth lab enslavement.
I'm really torn on the 'Should Jesse learn about ALL Walt's betrayals?' issue. I think Jesse not finding out could be just as tragic as Jesse finding out. Part of me wants to protect Jesse from further trauma and part of me wants to see Aaron Paul get another epic acting opportunity if Jesse learns the terrible truth. To be honest I struggle to see Jesse having a happy ending of any kind. When I'm predicting Jesse's final resolution I'm thinking a) death, b) jail, c) mental institution. And I can't decide which option is the least painful!
I also struggle with the popular theory that Jesse will roll on Walt. There's part of me that thinks Jesse and Hank teaming up to bring down Walt would be the best thing ever. Yet there are two factors that make me doubt this scenario - a) the show has made so much of Jesse's undying loyalty to Walt and b) Jesse and Hank seriously hate each other. I do think it's likely that Hank figuring out Walt will have Hank twigging that a) Walt was with Jesse and Tuco out in the desert during his supposed fugue state and b) it must've been Walt who arranged the phone call about Marie being in a car-crash to save Jesse from being arrested. So Hank may well look to Jesse as a potential informant, but yeah...it's still hard to believe those two would work together given their history with each other. Unless maybe it becomes a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' type deal. But I agree that Jesse turning on Walt could be out of character if they don't give Jesse a strong enough motivation.
With Walt, I'd be shocked if he didn't die, particularly since Walt has been marked for death since the Pilot. For me the question with Walt is simply HOW he will die and I still think it'll be in jail from cancer rather than a machine gun shoot out. I wasn't sure if that was the same Dennys from 'Boxcutter' but thanks for the confirmation!
I can't cope with the hiatus either. *sighs*
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I agree totally! They REALLY need to give us some closure on that aspect of the show. Because it really is about those two at this point.
However, Walt's final act might be to ensure that his partner gets to 'live free' so Walt will try to save Jesse from either prison or meth lab enslavement.
Walt definitely needs to be "all sacrificial"...
Part of me wants to protect Jesse from further trauma and part of me wants to see Aaron Paul get another epic acting opportunity if Jesse learns the terrible truth.
That would be an awesome scene. Aaron Paul is freaking incredible. It's a tough call though. I mean if Jesse did find out (and his head didn't immediately explode) what could he do? Kill Walt? And then what? That would be even worse for him cause he would lose anything that is left of his innocence. He's just not cut out for that kind of thing. Like when he confronts Walt about poisoning Brock - if he had really wanted to kill him he could've just shot him, no questions asked but I think he wanted Walt to convince him otherwise. He didn't want to believe that Walt was capable of doing that. He was just as hurt about the betrayal as he was angry. I think you and others have said he is willfully deceiving himself and I think that's true. So, I don't know...
When I'm predicting Jesse's final resolution I'm thinking a) death, b) jail, c) mental institution. And I can't decide which option is the least painful!
I keep thinking he'll end up dying in Walt's arms after throwing himself in front of a hail of bullets to save Walt's worthless life and then Walt will go batshit crazy (along with the audience). My alternate (and completely inplausible and wishful thinking) theory is that Walt and Jesse will end up with only each other left and Jesse will care for Walt until he dies of cancer and then go to art school and do something useful with himself. :)
And why can't I make your comments that I'm responding to be in italics?
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If you want to put my comments in italics in your LJ reply then you need to put < i > at the start of the sentence and < /i > at the end of the sentence. Only remove the spaces between the i's an the >
I'll respond to the rest of your awesome comment later but I wanted to help you with that because I find LJ coding tricky too...
ETA: ...like how my demonstration just failed!
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LOL, quite. That said, I don't think Walt is gonna get a redemption story. Walt may fool himself into thinking he's the sacrificial hero. But if he is on some mission to rescue Jesse I think Jesse would be horrified by Walt going on a machine gun rampage and claiming he's doing it for Jesse. The last thing Jesse wants is for more people to die.
I mean if Jesse did find out (and his head didn't immediately explode) what could he do?
Well, I think this is where my 'mental institution' theory comes in. I don't think Jesse could bring himself to kill Walt. Jesse was so traumatized after killing a stranger, I don't think he could cope with killing his partner and father figure, even if he did know about Walt's betrayals. But I do think knowing the truth would destroy Jesse and I fear he might even attempt suicide.
My alternate (and completely inplausible and wishful thinking) theory is that Walt and Jesse will end up with only each other left and Jesse will care for Walt until he dies of cancer and then go to art school and do something useful with himself. :)
I do like the idea of Jesse 'breaking good' in the end. My sentimental future fic idea was that Jesse would get out of jail at age 50 and just as Walt started leading a bad life at age 50 Jesse would start leading a good life. But that idea seems far too twee for BB.
I do like the idea of Jesse being the only one at Walt's bedside when he's finally dying of cancer. Or maybe Walt will be completely alone but he'll imagine seeing Jesse by his side? Like, you've said, it'd be good to get a sense of how much Jesse means to Walt.
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