Mike at least advises Jesse to look out for himself which is a nice contrast to Walt demanding that Jesse devote his life to serving the cult of Heisenberg.
Mike. :'(
hey, leave the go-carts alone
I love your protectiveness of go-carts. ;)
Walt desperately screams after Jesse that if he leaves he'll have nothing but as Jesse walks out the door it really feels like Walt is the one being left destitute.
Best. Feeling. EVER!!!! Say My Name is the first episode I watched live and I was such on the edge of my seat for this scene. It's probably the most satisfying ending of a scene I've ever seen anywhere. I was so proud of Jesse for not falling for Walt's 'Greatest Hits' eh.
In the aftermath of losing Jesse, Walt had to listen to Jesse heroically offering to get Mike's bag and Mike nobly telling Jesse not to put himself in harm's way; two friends having each others back; exactly the kind of bond Walt always liked to he and Jesse shared.
Oh the look Walt gave Jesse. I think he was jealous or at least very annoyed. Goddammit Mike!! I understand why you didn't want Jesse involved but argh!!!!!
While Jesse desperately wanted out of the drug ring, I don't think he wanted to lose his relationships with Walt or Mike; yet both men shut the door on Jesse, same as his real parents.
sniff.
However this narrative choice just confirms to me that this is a show about Walt and Jesse's partnership more than it's a show about Heisenberg's meth empire.
Absolutely.
There's no Gus trying to kill him, no Skyler arguing with him, no Jesse creating chaos for him.
Maybe Walt realized, at this moment, that it was not the money nor the empire-businessmen that was driving him... but a sense of excitement and danger fulled by a need to be worshiped. The guy's an adrenaline junkie with a side of emotional neediness.
So sad this is the last re-cap for a long, long while. I was enjoying them so much... anyway, it's getting late here and I'm working tomorrow. I'll answer the discussion questions later. :)
You must take photos of you having pancakes in Walt & Jesse's Dennys! I will cry!!
Walt was... Oh God help me... actually trying to be helpful.
Yeah I think Walt really did want to stop Jesse beating himself up over the lost ricin. But Walt was helping himself too. If Jesse couldn't find the ricin anywhere and if he felt sure that he hadn't lost it then Jesse might go back to his original (correct) theory that Huel took it out of his pocket. Walt needed to give Jesse closure to save himself from suspicion. I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Walt needs to be worshiped and appreciated. And like you said, he's not getting that appreciation from Skyler (or Junior) but Jesse fulfill that need. And in the process, Walt is becoming more emotionally dependent on his relationship with Jesse.
Skyler and Junior have both drifted away and found substitutes for Walt in the last year - Skyler with her affair with Ted and Junior finding a surrogate dad in Hank. Walt never intended to have any sort of emotional investment in Jesse. Originally Jesse was just supposed to be Walt's IN to the meth business, not a partner Walt would've chosen to work with. But I think Walt (like Laura Roslin!) really wanted to live a little before he died. Jesse brought a lot of chaos and excitement into Walt's life. He gave Walt an adventure and nobody else in Walt's life had ever given him that. Like you say, Walt was addicted to the thrills and the danger and just look how boring things got after Jesse left.
Sadly for Jesse their "adventure" was just him being put through hell and having his life left in ruins. Walt may have become de-sensitized to all the violence and corruption but Jesse could never grow that thick skin.
'Say My Name' was my favourite episode of the first half of S5 and yeah, the main reason is the Walt/Jesse argument.
I'd love to hear your answers to the questions. I've posted some of my own thoughts above. Maybe I'll have to write a big Walt/Jesse speculation post sometime? Thank you so much for your support of these recaps. Your feedback has made it worthwhile for me.
I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Unforeseen bonus?? Unforeseen bonus?????. Oh, fuck me. I hate you Walt. No I don't but yeah I do. You despicable human being.
I've posted some of my own thoughts above.
Yeah, I've seen it and I'm in total agreement with everything.
1) What do you consider to be the best episodes or scenes for the Walt/Jesse relationship so far? The usual suspects - The Fly, 4 Days Out/Over, ABQ... and Box Cutter. I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
2) Where do you predict that Jesse is at the time of Walt's Denny's flashforward?
In danger. ;)
3) What would be your ideal ending for the Walt and Jesse story?
I... truly don't know. One part of me wants Jesse to be completely fee of Walt but another part cherish that relationship and I want Jesse to be there for Walt until his last moment. I think I'll be ok with anything as long as it's done well. Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
LOL. Just to say that was my phrasing not Gilligans. But yes, the way he described it was Walt not intending for Jesse to have an emotional breakdown but seizing the opportunity when it came along to manipulate Jesse further.
I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
I know what you mean but I do love a lot of the S5 Walt/Jesse scenes. Particularly the big scenes they share in Madrigal, Say My Name and Gliding Over All. The fucked-up-ness doesn't put me off!
In danger. ;)
*grins* Like Saul's awesome secretary says, Walt and Jesse are always in danger.
I'd love Walt and Jesse to reconcile somehow before the end but I can't see it happening unless Jesse never learns the truth. Mind you, I never thought that my boys Gaius and Felix would reconcile and somehow they did. I'd love a Walt and Jesse equivalent of that coffee and cigars scene from 'Blood on the Scales'.
Mike at least advises Jesse to look out for himself which is a nice contrast to Walt demanding that Jesse devote his life to serving the cult of Heisenberg.
Mike. :'(
hey, leave the go-carts alone
I love your protectiveness of go-carts. ;)
Walt desperately screams after Jesse that if he leaves he'll have nothing but as Jesse walks out the door it really feels like Walt is the one being left destitute.
Best. Feeling. EVER!!!! Say My Name is the first episode I watched live and I was such on the edge of my seat for this scene. It's probably the most satisfying ending of a scene I've ever seen anywhere. I was so proud of Jesse for not falling for Walt's 'Greatest Hits' eh.
In the aftermath of losing Jesse, Walt had to listen to Jesse heroically offering to get Mike's bag and Mike nobly telling Jesse not to put himself in harm's way; two friends having each others back; exactly the kind of bond Walt always liked to he and Jesse shared.
Oh the look Walt gave Jesse. I think he was jealous or at least very annoyed. Goddammit Mike!! I understand why you didn't want Jesse involved but argh!!!!!
While Jesse desperately wanted out of the drug ring, I don't think he wanted to lose his relationships with Walt or Mike; yet both men shut the door on Jesse, same as his real parents.
sniff.
However this narrative choice just confirms to me that this is a show about Walt and Jesse's partnership more than it's a show about Heisenberg's meth empire.
Absolutely.
There's no Gus trying to kill him, no Skyler arguing with him, no Jesse creating chaos for him.
Maybe Walt realized, at this moment, that it was not the money nor the empire-businessmen that was driving him... but a sense of excitement and danger fulled by a need to be worshiped. The guy's an adrenaline junkie with a side of emotional neediness.
So sad this is the last re-cap for a long, long while. I was enjoying them so much... anyway, it's getting late here and I'm working tomorrow. I'll answer the discussion questions later. :)
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Walt was... Oh God help me... actually trying to be helpful.
Yeah I think Walt really did want to stop Jesse beating himself up over the lost ricin. But Walt was helping himself too. If Jesse couldn't find the ricin anywhere and if he felt sure that he hadn't lost it then Jesse might go back to his original (correct) theory that Huel took it out of his pocket. Walt needed to give Jesse closure to save himself from suspicion. I think it was Vince Gilligan who talked about Walt's motivations in the podcast and how Jesse's breakdown was just an unforeseen bonus.
Walt needs to be worshiped and appreciated. And like you said, he's not getting that appreciation from Skyler (or Junior) but Jesse fulfill that need. And in the process, Walt is becoming more emotionally dependent on his relationship with Jesse.
Skyler and Junior have both drifted away and found substitutes for Walt in the last year - Skyler with her affair with Ted and Junior finding a surrogate dad in Hank. Walt never intended to have any sort of emotional investment in Jesse. Originally Jesse was just supposed to be Walt's IN to the meth business, not a partner Walt would've chosen to work with. But I think Walt (like Laura Roslin!) really wanted to live a little before he died. Jesse brought a lot of chaos and excitement into Walt's life. He gave Walt an adventure and nobody else in Walt's life had ever given him that. Like you say, Walt was addicted to the thrills and the danger and just look how boring things got after Jesse left.
Sadly for Jesse their "adventure" was just him being put through hell and having his life left in ruins. Walt may have become de-sensitized to all the violence and corruption but Jesse could never grow that thick skin.
'Say My Name' was my favourite episode of the first half of S5 and yeah, the main reason is the Walt/Jesse argument.
I'd love to hear your answers to the questions. I've posted some of my own thoughts above. Maybe I'll have to write a big Walt/Jesse speculation post sometime? Thank you so much for your support of these recaps. Your feedback has made it worthwhile for me.
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Unforeseen bonus?? Unforeseen bonus?????. Oh, fuck me. I hate you Walt. No I don't but yeah I do. You despicable human being.
I've posted some of my own thoughts above.
Yeah, I've seen it and I'm in total agreement with everything.
1) What do you consider to be the best episodes or scenes for the Walt/Jesse relationship so far?
The usual suspects - The Fly, 4 Days Out/Over, ABQ... and Box Cutter. I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
2) Where do you predict that Jesse is at the time of Walt's Denny's flashforward?
In danger. ;)
3) What would be your ideal ending for the Walt and Jesse story?
I... truly don't know. One part of me wants Jesse to be completely fee of Walt but another part cherish that relationship and I want Jesse to be there for Walt until his last moment. I think I'll be ok with anything as long as it's done well. Maybe... Jesse learns what Walt's done (or part of what he's done) but he finds it in him to forgive him and be there for Walt until the end. Yeah, I think I would like that ending.
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Me too! That's my dream ending!
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LOL. Just to say that was my phrasing not Gilligans. But yes, the way he described it was Walt not intending for Jesse to have an emotional breakdown but seizing the opportunity when it came along to manipulate Jesse further.
I don't include season 5 episodes because the relationship is all based on lies and manipulations.
I know what you mean but I do love a lot of the S5 Walt/Jesse scenes. Particularly the big scenes they share in Madrigal, Say My Name and Gliding Over All. The fucked-up-ness doesn't put me off!
In danger. ;)
*grins* Like Saul's awesome secretary says, Walt and Jesse are always in danger.
I'd love Walt and Jesse to reconcile somehow before the end but I can't see it happening unless Jesse never learns the truth. Mind you, I never thought that my boys Gaius and Felix would reconcile and somehow they did. I'd love a Walt and Jesse equivalent of that coffee and cigars scene from 'Blood on the Scales'.
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