Walt was more intimidated by Gus. As crazy and menacing as Tuco was, he wasn't smart like Gus. I think Walt was terrified by a rival who might be able to out-think him.
*sigh* Go Carts. It seems like we are always denied seeing Walt and Jesse just having fun together (like when they were going to stay at Dennys together before the RVs battery died). There was the little moment when they were drinking beer after finishing their first Vamanos Pest cook, but that just turned into Walt manipulating Jesse to break up with his girlfriend. While it's really hard to imagine Walter White in a Go Cart, I wish he'd cared about cheering Jesse up. You're right that he only shows that he cares in life and death situations.
The scene when Mike and Jesse are on the phone to Walt is funny. I love Mike's snide "Hello again" after Walt gives up on getting any answers out of Jesse. I guess Jesse might have fought for his life even if Mr White hadn't called, but it seemed like he only started asking Mike questions after the call and before that he was just resigned to Mike killing him. I think for Walt he has trying to have another Heisenberg moment, like at the end of S3, only no matter what he tried, everyone was disregarding him, even Jesse who he was trying to rescue.
Gus wants to be surrounded by the Mike-Jesse type, not time bombs like Walt (and possibly Victor).
Interesting parallels there! And in Gus's box cutter scene it was Walt and Victor who were doing all the talking, boasting about their usefulness to Gus, while Jesse and Mike were silent, waiting for Gus to makes his own decisions, which Gus probably had more respect for.
Well, back in 'Half Measures' it was Jesse who wanted to kill the two dealers who hired then murdered Tomas. I'm sure Jesse blamed Gus for that too, which is why Walt reminds Jesse of this to strengthen his motives. I don't think Jesse ever came to like Gus (not in the way Jesse liked Mike) and Jesse wasn't sorry when Gus was finally killed, I think it was the prospect of committing another murder that made him hesitate for so long, since killing Gale had already fucked him up so bad.
wooo hooo!! *is proud* I always thought there must have been a reason for Gus to kill Victor other than to scare Walt and Jesse. Victor seemed like a capable guy, so why dispose of a valuable staff member just to scare someone you despise? I'm glad Walter provided an explication of Gus's action in season 5 and I think it made perfect sense. Victor took liberties that weren't his to make and Gus didn't like it. Maybe it wasn't the first time. Two birds one stone.
I think Jesse was sincere when he told Walt he was going to kill Gus. He was thinking about it when making the coffee and when Mike gave him the gun... but he realized he couldn't murder again, even if he knew Gus deserved it.
I always thought the main reason Victor was killed was because he got himself seen at Gale's murder scene and Gus couldn't risk one of his guys being brought in as a suspect. Victor knew he'd screwed up. I think that's why Victor was trying to prove he could do the cook. He was trying to redeem himself.
Gus disliking underlings who take liberties is a little ironic considering this was how Gus himself was perceived by the Mexican cartel. Speaking of parallels I'm looking forward to recapping 'Hermanos' and comparing Walt/Jesse with Gus/Max.
*sigh* Go Carts. It seems like we are always denied seeing Walt and Jesse just having fun together (like when they were going to stay at Dennys together before the RVs battery died). There was the little moment when they were drinking beer after finishing their first Vamanos Pest cook, but that just turned into Walt manipulating Jesse to break up with his girlfriend. While it's really hard to imagine Walter White in a Go Cart, I wish he'd cared about cheering Jesse up. You're right that he only shows that he cares in life and death situations.
The scene when Mike and Jesse are on the phone to Walt is funny. I love Mike's snide "Hello again" after Walt gives up on getting any answers out of Jesse. I guess Jesse might have fought for his life even if Mr White hadn't called, but it seemed like he only started asking Mike questions after the call and before that he was just resigned to Mike killing him. I think for Walt he has trying to have another Heisenberg moment, like at the end of S3, only no matter what he tried, everyone was disregarding him, even Jesse who he was trying to rescue.
Gus wants to be surrounded by the Mike-Jesse type, not time bombs like Walt (and possibly Victor).
Interesting parallels there! And in Gus's box cutter scene it was Walt and Victor who were doing all the talking, boasting about their usefulness to Gus, while Jesse and Mike were silent, waiting for Gus to makes his own decisions, which Gus probably had more respect for.
Well, back in 'Half Measures' it was Jesse who wanted to kill the two dealers who hired then murdered Tomas. I'm sure Jesse blamed Gus for that too, which is why Walt reminds Jesse of this to strengthen his motives. I don't think Jesse ever came to like Gus (not in the way Jesse liked Mike) and Jesse wasn't sorry when Gus was finally killed, I think it was the prospect of committing another murder that made him hesitate for so long, since killing Gale had already fucked him up so bad.
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wooo hooo!! *is proud* I always thought there must have been a reason for Gus to kill Victor other than to scare Walt and Jesse. Victor seemed like a capable guy, so why dispose of a valuable staff member just to scare someone you despise? I'm glad Walter provided an explication of Gus's action in season 5 and I think it made perfect sense. Victor took liberties that weren't his to make and Gus didn't like it. Maybe it wasn't the first time. Two birds one stone.
I think Jesse was sincere when he told Walt he was going to kill Gus. He was thinking about it when making the coffee and when Mike gave him the gun... but he realized he couldn't murder again, even if he knew Gus deserved it.
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Gus disliking underlings who take liberties is a little ironic considering this was how Gus himself was perceived by the Mexican cartel. Speaking of parallels I'm looking forward to recapping 'Hermanos' and comparing Walt/Jesse with Gus/Max.
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