And the second penguin said, "Maybe I am."

Apr 01, 2008 14:59

Fellow nerdlingers with good memories for media quotations may recognize the above quote as the punchline to the joke Special Agent Dale Cooper tells to Annie Blackburn as part of his dorky seduction routine (hereafter known as mysterious and silly Twin Peaks hard right plot turn #1).Being first and foremost a Barbara Gordon fan, I have extremely ( Read more... )

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mercuryfading April 9 2008, 04:11:10 UTC
Ok. So since every nerdlinger I know wet themselves over this, I decided to get my geek membership card by reading it. It was more or less my first real Batman comic (though...sigh...Hube caught me up on what I needed to know...for about three hours while I was in New York)...

...but I'd be interested in more feminist critiques of DC comics; because I read it after your entry I was like "Uh. Yeah. Sarah is right. This is clearly a rape story. And, um. I don't much care for THAT." But I like the psychology of the whole thing.

Was your "world's cleanest prostitute" comment specifically referencing that terrible, terrible movie, or is the book of From Hell just as bad? Because I kind of want to read it but not if it's going to make me think that Alan Moore is a misogynist with unrealistic notions of Victorian hygiene.

Hube says now I have to read "other canonical 80s comic books" like The Dark Knight. Sure. Why not? But only if there's a feminist angle. Otherwise it's kinda uninteresting.

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fakely_mctest April 9 2008, 04:39:01 UTC
No, From Hell as a graphic novel is messy and Alan Moore has a good grasp on how horrible it most certainly was to be a person of a particular class & gender in the Victorian era. My main problem with the graphic novel was that the art? She was teeny. I felt like I didn't know what the heck was going on half the time.

What I took issue with most about the movie was Heather Graham's character and her no-sex-for-money school of prostitution. Because it's obvious that the filmmakers there didn't think she'd be sympathetic enough if she were a whore who actually, um, did any whoring. Barf.

Frank Miller is a demon spawn and if there were any justice in this world of ours he'd be peddling his misogyny in the form of screaming, incoherent rants that people just ignore the hell out of on their way to work:


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mercuryfading April 10 2008, 01:55:07 UTC
Heh.

I did flip through From Hell and yeah, it was kinda...hard to read! But I think if I can find it at the library/at a friend's I'll give it a try.

I like that blog. I think I am becoming a Comic Book Person (tm). Hrm.

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mercuryfading April 12 2008, 13:46:15 UTC
Well if you do, I'll have someone else to talk to about these things.

I'm sure people will rec Craig Thompson's Blankets up and down (although as a young-arty-dude-coming-of-age story, you know my preference is always going to be Scott Pilgrim because of the snark and the fights and the evil ex-boyfriends and because book 3 was called Scott Pilgrim and the Infinite Sadness) but I prefer Thompson's earlier work, Good-bye Chunky Rice, which remains the only graphic novel I've ever read that made me cry at the end. It's about a turtle and a mouse who are friends.

In the superhero vein, A Superman for All Seasons is pretty good as are The Long Halloween and Dark Victory (both Batman stories) and, naturally, anything by Darwyn Cooke.

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dr_scroton April 11 2008, 16:45:34 UTC
great comic - I will be seeing Frank Miller (from afar) in person at the comicon next weekend. I will attempt to have a discussion with him about this... naw, I'd just get myself kicked out.

I think one of the reasons I like X-Men more (sorry, this is actually not a slam against DC. I'm very pro-DC comics) but although all of the retarded stereotypes are there (Psycloke is a whore, Jean is weak and emotional, Jubilee is a waste of time, many - many women are airheads with big boobs) is that at least there are a couple of female characters (Storm being predominant in my mind - and a black woman) who are more powerful than their male counterparts and not stupid to boot. X-Men had the first outed characters and were always fairly good at the racial thing, although I always argue that BLUE is not a race.

And the men at least all fit into horrible stereotypes as well. You can't complain it is just against the women.

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oh, Frank Miller, you are MADE OF FAIL fakely_mctest April 12 2008, 14:16:43 UTC
And, ultimately, isn't it the quality of the writer who can or cannot transcend those stereotypes, y'know? I mean, the art is important too -- because what's the purpose of great writing if the art is, like, ferociously confusing?

From, Misfit Reads Your Mail (And Black Alice Totally Doesn't):

Dear Everyheroine,

These letters stuff the mailbag fuller than Black Alice’s bra. Oh yes, I DID say it! My socks with the purple kittens on the cuffs are missing and I don’t think that’s COINCIDENCE!

But that couldn’t be the reason for this many letters all about impossible stick-out boobs, because I don’t have that many socks. So I’m going to say, yeah, aliens? Invisible aliens with a gross-tesque interest in bizarrely altering women’s bodies?

The only thing I can say that might make you feel better is that I know sometimes it goes away. Cos I used to look like this (which isn’t totally awful or anything, but still, like, no wonder I managed to get into clubs six years underage):


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