Like Memeing in Molasses - FFA Post # 305
Erratic varnish errors, how we love them.
All the fail_fandomanon Rules and Information (and Ban Requests):
http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/36692.html.
The short version: no embeds, don't out people's real names, don't be that much of an asshole, body fluids are off topic, Mods reserve the right to freeze, screen, and delete the fuck out of stuff. ( Read more... )
All the fail_fandomanon Rules and Information (and Ban Requests):
http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/36692.html.
The short version: no embeds, don't out people's real names, don't be that much of an asshole, body fluids are off topic, Mods reserve the right to freeze, screen, and delete the fuck out of stuff. ( Read more... )
Reply
Reply
Reply
Reply
If you're not working class or poor, please do not speak over or for the working class or poor.
I could not give a flying fuck whether you are a trans, Muslim, disabled, PoC with headmates and learning difficulties - IF YOU DID NOT GROW UP POOR OR WORKING CLASS THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Intersectionality only works so far - why the hell should a middle class PoC/trans person/disabled person be more educated or accepeted for talking about the issues that the working class face than a white person who grew up dirt poor?
Also broke =/= poor.
Also America =/= everywhere.
Reply
I'm sick of how capitalism in general seems to get a free pass from social justice people. Sure they'll say yes to more welfare, more anti-poverty programs, homeless shelters, affirmitive actions, etc but if you dare suggest that could just be treating the symptoms and there might be a deeper problem, then you're a racist sexist dick who thinks every problem can be solved by doing away with capitalism.
Reply
Reply
Reply
Speaking over poor people is definitely wrong, but telling the middleclass folks to shut the fuck up altogether is probably not very productive. Allies are necessary. (But I feel the same way about other issues: I don't think men need to shut up entirely about gender, for instance, they just should realise they have privilege and be ready to listen hard to women.)
Reply
Reply
Reply
My issue is that it seems like class is the only social justic issue where it's still considered okay to talk over people who actually face the hardships that come from it because of ~intersectionality.
Reply
I agree that it's a blind spot. I haven't seen talking over exactly, but what I've seen is the insistence on the hyper-specialized language and specific assumptions of Internet Social Justice, which...look, you're just not going to know those assumptions and that language if you don't have a lot of free time to spend on the internet. And that's a class-related thing.
Reply
This is how I felt in the AAVE talk / the not tipping your server because dreadlocks from last post.
I would say I'm middle class now because I'm college educated and fairly economically stable, but growing up my parents (and most of my extended family) where either poor or lower class. And my story is definitely the exception for everyone I've grown up with. Sorry but it's kind of hard to ~educate yourself~ on social justice 101 when you're much more concerned about things like eating food or will you be homeless this month.
I had a Tumblr SJW that was clearly an upper-class PoC reblog a post of mine once where I was discussing a relative who had to have a limb amputated because of shit that would only happen if you're poor to leave a friendly reminder that they still had white privilege and that they understood what it's actually like to struggle. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or kill them, tbh.
Reply
Reply
Reply
Leave a comment