Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 17:54:04 UTC
Therapy isn't the cure all people represent it as. Success rates aren't that much higher than the recovery rates of people who go untreated. It's a it like prayer or going to confession or leaving an offering at a shrine - it's something people tell you to do when they don't have a solution but don't want to admit to the fact.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 19:42:59 UTC
Nonnie, please don't take AYRTs words as absolute truth. Just like meds, not all forms of therapy work for everyone and nothing is going to make all your issues go away forever for good, but that doesn't mean it can't help. It was vile and irresponsible of the AYRT to compare therapy to prayer.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 20:06:50 UTC
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Vile and irresponsible? Come on. All they said was that it wasn't a cure-all and it was something people suggest when they don't have anything more reliably effective to tell you to try first. You can argue with them about the numbers, assuming you both have numbers to argue from, but you're not even arguing the basic point that it isn't universally effective.
You may disagree that people often suggest therapy with what appears to be a peculiar degree of faith in its utility, and what also often appears to be a near-religious degree of fervor, but it certainly looks that way to some of us. Your level of rhetoric here actually tends more to make the ayrt's point: those are strong words for a difference of opinion about how often therapy is likely to be useful to people. And strong words that sound very much like what religious people might say about comparing prayer to therapy.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 20:17:57 UTC
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those are strong words for a difference of opinion about how often therapy is likely to be useful to people
Eh, the OP seemed to me to be saying "therapy is useless to the vast majority of people, nobody who recommends it does so because they believe it works". It seems reasonable for someone to feel that that's telling people who might benefit from therapy that they shouldn't bother with it.
Not sure why it makes AYRT sound like a religious person, that's a very confusing statement.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 22:06:31 UTC
It sounds like a religious person to the extent that "vile" is the kind of highly colored emotional reaction that you tend to get from extremely religious people who feel that their religious beliefs are insulted. It's pretty common to have people react to things they feel insult their church or their deity with words like that, and it doesn't always take much to make them feel that denigration is happening. There are religious people who would be highly offended by the idea that prayer is no more effective than therapy, and would use similar words about the disgustingness of the suggestion.
I read the OP's statement differently from the way you did, though. They seemed to me to be saying, "Therapy is something people recommend when they don't have anything better or more effective to recommend, and it's not that effective, and people should stop pushing it as if it were a reasonably reliable fix." Which is different from saying that it works so rarely that no one should ever bother to pursue it.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 22:14:33 UTC
They said that people recommend therapy when they don't really have a solution. That implies that the people recommending it don't believe therapy is itself a solution.
Re: Unpopular opinions
anonymous
March 2 2014, 20:37:23 UTC
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I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to argue here. To clarify my point however, to me therapy is on the same level as psych meds are: they can work, they may not work, what works for one person may not work for another, and there are no automatic fixes. I may have overreacted to the AYRT, but to me saying that therapy is as useful as prayer is just about same as saying you shouldn't trust doctors because a homeopath has "real" solution to your problems.
Re: Unpopular opinionsbackup_sunnyMarch 2 2014, 22:15:59 UTC
meme is supremely not qualified
Agreed. Ordinarily I'd leave this alone, but we've already got the setup for religion + bonus! amateur mental health advice. I've got to step out and can't watch this, so I'm going to go ahead and freeze it, though there will be no objections if y'all want to take it up on the personal post. Just, yes, I hope everyone will remember that meme is supremely not qualified in this arena.
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I ask because I'm at the end of my rope, and if therapy doesn't work, then I've got nothing I can do to get better.
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I don't know about the others, but CBT has been shown to have a statistically significant degree of effectiveness.
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Vile and irresponsible? Come on. All they said was that it wasn't a cure-all and it was something people suggest when they don't have anything more reliably effective to tell you to try first. You can argue with them about the numbers, assuming you both have numbers to argue from, but you're not even arguing the basic point that it isn't universally effective.
You may disagree that people often suggest therapy with what appears to be a peculiar degree of faith in its utility, and what also often appears to be a near-religious degree of fervor, but it certainly looks that way to some of us. Your level of rhetoric here actually tends more to make the ayrt's point: those are strong words for a difference of opinion about how often therapy is likely to be useful to people. And strong words that sound very much like what religious people might say about comparing prayer to therapy.
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those are strong words for a difference of opinion about how often therapy is likely to be useful to people
Eh, the OP seemed to me to be saying "therapy is useless to the vast majority of people, nobody who recommends it does so because they believe it works". It seems reasonable for someone to feel that that's telling people who might benefit from therapy that they shouldn't bother with it.
Not sure why it makes AYRT sound like a religious person, that's a very confusing statement.
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I read the OP's statement differently from the way you did, though. They seemed to me to be saying, "Therapy is something people recommend when they don't have anything better or more effective to recommend, and it's not that effective, and people should stop pushing it as if it were a reasonably reliable fix." Which is different from saying that it works so rarely that no one should ever bother to pursue it.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to argue here. To clarify my point however, to me therapy is on the same level as psych meds are: they can work, they may not work, what works for one person may not work for another, and there are no automatic fixes. I may have overreacted to the AYRT, but to me saying that therapy is as useful as prayer is just about same as saying you shouldn't trust doctors because a homeopath has "real" solution to your problems.
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Agreed. Ordinarily I'd leave this alone, but we've already got the setup for religion + bonus! amateur mental health advice. I've got to step out and can't watch this, so I'm going to go ahead and freeze it, though there will be no objections if y'all want to take it up on the personal post. Just, yes, I hope everyone will remember that meme is supremely not qualified in this arena.
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