Poll Time! (FFA Post #13)

Oct 24, 2010 13:32

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Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 19:19:20 UTC
Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 19:52:05 UTC
The evil, usurping uncle (it's always the uncle) believes that his dead brother's wife wasn't royal enough for the new king to rule, or he has some reason to believe she might have been unfaithful and the kid isn't even related to him.

Oh yes. And also, he (and his supporters) may think the kid (or the kid's appointed regent if it's not the uncle himself) is allied to the wrong kind of interests that may lead the country to ruin.

Of course, the kingdom in question may not even be an automatically hereditary monarchy. Sweden wasn't officially so until Gustav I Vasa's reign in the 16th century - before that, kings (and the one queen) had to be elected by the big landowners, though a firstborn, legitimate son of the former king often had a leg up.

I'd love to hear more of what you thought about with your three-way marriages!Really? Okay, but be warned it's a bit long, way geeky and may not make all that sense. Um, it was interwoven with the idea of people, or at least men, belonging to different moieties. In puberty all men in that ( ... )

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SA, self-consciously anonymous October 24 2010, 20:07:14 UTC
(SA: Now I kinda feel embarrassed this tl; dr post of private would-be world-building will remain visible due to being the first in the thread... I should have made a few empty comments first, I guess.)

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:28:40 UTC
Of course, the kingdom in question may not even be an automatically hereditary monarchy. Sweden wasn't officially so until Gustav I Vasa's reign in the 16th century - before that, kings (and the one queen) had to be elected by the big landowners, though a firstborn, legitimate son of the former king often had a leg up.

I would *love* to see more books that took into account that not all monarchies have to work the same way. Elected kings; kings choosing their successor from their sons or a whole pool of royal relations; eldest children inheriting regardless of gender. Actually, I'd like to see more princesses in line for the throne in general for any reason, because then it'd be more likely that someone would do it well.

Your society sounds interesting! Did you have a plot idea, or did you just do some intricate worldbuilding? Because I have this tendency to come up with detailed background stuff and then realize that I've got absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a problem.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:38:56 UTC
SA

By "do it well" I mean not treating her like stereotypical oppressed marriage bait.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:46:17 UTC
Did you have a plot idea, or did you just do some intricate worldbuilding? Because I have this tendency to come up with detailed background stuff and then realize that I've got absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a problem.

I have that problem a lot, too. Here as well - I pictured the world and the marriage customs, but no plot, and also no individual characters to follow (except for the fandom ones that inspired me, but once I'd got this far into it, I felt using the idea as an excuse for shipping was wasteful and embarrassing, even though it was fun trying to figure out what the new constellations would be).

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 26 2010, 02:09:44 UTC
Here's what I suggest to the both of you: find someone - best case scenario someone whose strengths complement your weaknesses, but really anyone with a smidge of creativity will do - and talk to them about it. If you're struggling with finding a direction it will do you a world of good.

I myself can create characters and single scenes pretty easily, but when it comes to plotting out how these characters would reach the point where the scene plays out I hit a wall. That's when I shoot an e-mail to my writing pal, who is not so good at creating characters but is excellent at concocting plot scenarios. It seriously only takes a sentence from her to unblock me and set me back on my way. Even observatory comments can be like brain drano.

The input of another person is like the spark to the fuse.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 26 2010, 12:58:00 UTC
IDK. I think that's a good idea for when you're stuck, but I'm talking about an entire plot. And it's not like this is a regular problem for me - I come up with a lot of ideas, some just for worlds, some just for bare-bones plots, some for characters. I can write down all the details of the world and come back to it later when I've come up with a plot or characters. But I will think about it!

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:02:18 UTC
NA

I've always wanted to write a gay fantasy romance where the parents are up in arms, not because the couple is gay, but because they're both the crown princes of their respective kingdoms and one of them would have to abdicate. Commence political machination.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:32:47 UTC
DO IT. That would be awesome.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 24 2010, 20:21:06 UTC
I was just reading about King John, and how when King Richard died it wasn't actually clear as to whether John (Richard's youngest brother) or Arthur (son of Richard's deceased second youngest brother) had the better claim to the throne, because they hadn't quite sorted out all the details of primogeniture.

They resolved it in that case by Arthur's mysterious disappearance.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 25 2010, 00:21:55 UTC
An even better example (IMO) is the contest for the English throne after the death of Henry I. His daughter, Matilde/Maude, was his designated heir, but her cousin Stephen (who, like her, was a grandchild of William the Conqueror - she through her father, he through his mother) stole the throne from her. Stephen prevailed, but Matilde got her own back when her son became Henry II after Stephen's death.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 25 2010, 01:45:17 UTC
Then there's Richard III.

Locked his nephews in a tower and took the throne himself, claiming they were illegitimate.

English history is full of this sort of thing.

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 25 2010, 01:47:11 UTC
lol doesn't actually know that much about Richard III

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Re: Fantasy writing/worldbuilding anonymous October 25 2010, 08:30:46 UTC
NA (who is a history nerd and has to comment).

That's not necessarily what happened. A lot of historians think that's only one possible interpretation and that Richard III was villainised by the people who were on the throne after him - a case of history being written by the victors, or those who came after at least.

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