Poll Time! (FFA Post #13)

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ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

I just watched Inception and the obvious ship is Eames/Saito(/Robert).

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

The list of ships I don't get is much, much, much longer than the list of ships I do get. I learned to live and let live very quickly when I started into fandom because otherwise I'd be in a constant state of "WTF?! NO!"

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Jack/Ianto in Torchwood. I know it's canon, but he has better chemistry with John Hart.

Tell the fandom that, though.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Eh, it really depends on whether you like that hate!sex vibe. That doesn't do it for a lot of people.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

NAYRT - It's not just hate!sex, though. They visibly have a history together, and this is something Jack and Ianto still mostly lack. It's not as if Jack and Ianto never have this kind of chemistry, but it's really visible only in Fragments. The relationship with Ianto forces Jack to actually think about what he's doing, instead of just following his dick, and that results in all those awkward moments.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Agree with this. Jack/John can be hatesex or can be set before they stopped being partners and Jack wasn't the moral paragon he is today. Well, sort of a moral paragon. He's still capable of doing terrible things, but he feels bad about it, versus John Hart just not caring.

Ianto/Jack in an adversarial relationship, ala the fic Moving In, is also intriguing, if you think they had a physical relationship when Lisa was still alive (and I do).

I like things to be somewhat adversarial, for the excitement factor.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

if you think they had a physical relationship when Lisa was still alive (and I do)

I do, too. Did since S1, actually. And personally speaking, I liked the complicated fucked-up-ness of their relationship, and their effort to make it work regardless.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

I don't get most hateships, like Harry/Draco (although I could see that working maybe in a post-Hogwarts setting, but not while they're teens), or Harry/Snape.

I can see the attraction if you're into non-con or dub-con, and I can also see it working when it's more of friendly rivalry thing rather than complete loathing, so I can totally see Doctor/Master, because the Doctor doesn't completely hate the Master, and the Master doesn't seem like he'd turn some hatesex down. But on the whole, I do prefer it if there's some getting along between the character/real people.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Well, the Doctor and the Master are friends as well as enemies, so it's not a classic hateship. More Xavier/Magneto than Harry/Draco.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

I've never understood hateships, then again, I've never understood the thing in romantic comedy where two people start out hating each other and then ... it's magically Tru Wuv! !!1!

Seriously, though, I know it's all pretend, but I've NEVER seen that happen in real life, except for once, and let's just say it did not end well. Usually, people you dislike upon meeting them stay disliked, for good goddamn reason.

In fiction, those relationships are usually twisted by power (Doctor/Master) and history, and are not at all healthy. I guess I've never understood the desire to make those relationships romantic. They might be sexual, but they are not about sincere caring, imho. Which is why I don't get non-con, or even most dub-con -- because I need to see that element of caring beyond a sexual spark, and one-sidedness doesn't turn me on at all.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

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I've never understood hateships, then again, I've never understood the thing in romantic comedy where two people start out hating each other and then ... it's magically Tru Wuv! !!1!

Thank you. Hateships are fine for angry, hate sex at best. But those kinds of relationships fizzle out, they're not the making of great love stories; and yet, that's how most people in fandom write and portray them.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

I think it depends how volatile a personality you have. There are plenty of people I hated on first meeting who I became good friends with later. (No Twu Wuv so far though.) What made a difference was having friends in common so I was forced to pretend to like them and to interact with them over long periods of time. They got a lot better over a period of several years, and I got a lot less asshole-y.

So, no, I don't think it's realistic, but I don't think it's totally out there either. When Harry Met Sally is obnoxious, but I could see it happening to someone.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Hateships are kind of like "opposites attract." They're great for creating dramatic and sexual tension. IRL, where novelty eventually wears off and you have to work things out in mature and non-dramatic ways, commonalities are better at holding people together.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

So I'm not the only one that saw Eames/Saito! Why isn't the Eames Brigade all over this?

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

I'd have thought Eames having a sugardaddy like Saito is something Eames fans would be all over.

Re: ships you don't get (redux)

[anonymous]

Eames is pretty sure he's got him. Japanese can't gamble for shite, and Eames doesn't care how expensive his suit is or how good he looks in it; he needs this win. Besides, no one bluffs like Eames.

But then the bastard pushes his remaining chips into the centre of the table. All of them. Eames stares.

"If you can't call, Mister Eames," the Jap says smoothly and with only the hint of a smile, "I am sure something else can be arranged."

Eames thinks about his cards face down on the table. He thinks about what the Jap maybe has. But most importantly, he thinks about how much money is sitting in that pot.

...Of course the fuss Inception fandom kicked up about that Eames/Arthur fic was because it was racist. It wasn't because they didn't want Eames to be less-than-perfect so it'd ruin their precious white cock porn. Who'd ever think such a thing?