Has anyone seen the right to Habeas Corpus?

Oct 20, 2006 14:21

On tuesday, GWBush signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 ( Read more... )

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vyl8 October 20 2006, 20:43:41 UTC
Up until recently, suspension of the writ habeas corpus after the civil war were used sparingly and with some understanding of exactly what suspending these rights would mean. Like at the sacco and vanzetti trial, in the 1930s or 1940s when someone tried to publish a communist newspaper and to the Asian American population during WWII because apparently, if you were from asia, you were magically sending messages to the Japanese government. Now not only you can be tried as an "enemy combatant" any lawyer you hire to help you can also be tried as well. Basically, anyone who opposes the president falls under this sweeping definition which is incredibly scary since when you think about it, all the people that protested Vietnam and got 18 year olds the right to vote would all be “enemy combatants.” So unless the next guy in office has a desire to change this, outside of a big civil war or other countries declaring war on us and invading (but that probably won’t happen until our government tries to take over Canada and Mexico and in the ( ... )

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eyes_of_horus October 22 2006, 01:22:05 UTC
I've seen the collapse of western society coming for years, and sadly, now we're closer than ever. God...I hate being right. I never really gave a shit about politics and gov't until this, and now I feel like my right to not give a shit is threatened, so I have no choice but to be pissed. You've started a not-for profit organization. I've been thinking seriously about trying to do the same, because if we're ever going to get politicians attention to the fact that this is our country too, we'll need some kind of established organization (coincidentally, established organized resistance to the president qualifies us for sanction in military tribunals and indefinate detainment). It's a risk I'm willing to take. Any advice for taking on such a task, if you should care to associate yourself with it, even on a non-committed advice-giving level?

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vyl8 October 22 2006, 01:53:58 UTC
hmm. . .there are many different types of non-profits, catagory-wise. You would probably best I am assuming being a 501(c)(3)which is a charatable organization. What this means is that by "charity" the purpose of your organization is to serve a greater good and to "give back" so to speak to the community. I believe there might also be a classification for political organizations, but I haven't done much research into that. What I know mainly is charitable, because ditchgunn is considered charitable, so I can give you advice on that ( ... )

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eyes_of_horus October 22 2006, 06:46:53 UTC
Hmm. Well, that seems a little off-base for what I might be going for, but some of that helps, so thanks. I may be wrong, but I think a less 'official' but still organized public outcry will grab attention quicker than going through all the paperwork. Going official seems a little less angry, too. But hey, I suppose while people are doing the yelling, others can be filing papers. Now...to go find these 'people' I've been talking so much about.

Thanks for the Help!

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blank_fidget October 21 2006, 16:41:40 UTC
most of us smart ones are washing our hands of this failed experiment, and are moving somewhere warm, to smoke lots of pot.

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eyes_of_horus October 22 2006, 01:25:00 UTC
For a while I've thought about moving to Australia (lots of environmentalists, good body-art community, music, etc.), at least for a year. I feel like now I've got more of a reason than ever, but I don't want to feel like I'm running. I want to fight this, but at the same time I feel the collapse of this nation's status as a world power is imminent (sp?), so I might just be escaping the blast zones.

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