heh, what a morning
This reminds me of last year when I was discussing with ang69.
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[11:55:15] +EgwKserw+ loipon, kat'arxin pisteyw oti tha prepei na prosdiorisoume to ti einai oi
anthrwpinoi amyntikoi mixanismoi pou diepoyn tis diaproswpikes sxeseis
[11:56:08] +sam_spade+ wraia, exeis kana paradeigma?
[11:56:52] +EgwKserw+ parageidmata tha akolouthisoun polla, thes na symfwnisoyme se enan orismo prin?
[11:57:13] +sam_spade+ ton exeis etoimo?
[11:57:45] +EgwKserw+ oxi, thes na ton ftiaksoume?
[11:58:07] +sam_spade+ ok file
[11:58:42] +sam_spade+ katarxas prepei na thigetai o enas sthn periptwsh dywn
[11:58:52] +EgwKserw+ swsta
[11:59:00] +sam_spade+ wste na ypswsei amyntiko mhxanismo
[11:59:10] +EgwKserw+ omws o amyntikos mixanismos proypothetei aparaitita "thiksimo"?
[11:59:13] +sam_spade+ na balei se leitourgia kalytera
[11:59:38] +sam_spade+ eksartatai an aparaithta thiksimo shmainei pragmatiko h sthn fantasia tou
[12:01:33] +EgwKserw+ sigoura. opote ws twra exoume tin energopoiisi tou mixanismou apo pragmatiko i
fantastiko thiksimo
[12:02:09] +sam_spade+ nai alla ton mhxanismo prepei na prosdiorisoume
[12:02:43] +EgwKserw+ e nai, siga-siga. aytos o mixanismos mporei na energopoiithei san precautionary
measure, prin kan yparksei thiksimo?
[12:03:24] +sam_spade+ etsi nomizw
[12:03:47] +sam_spade+ alla mpainei se leitourgia
[12:04:09] +sam_spade+ pantote kai me olous h se orismena atoma h omades?
[12:04:15] +sam_spade+ ti les?
[12:04:18] +EgwKserw+ opote ws twra exoume ta eksis: a) energopoiisi tou mixanismou apo pragmatiko i
fantastiko thiksimo b) energopoiisi tou mixanismou san metro profylaksis xwris na yparksei thiksimo
[12:04:22] +EgwKserw+ nai, katse na to skeftw twra
[12:04:31] +EgwKserw+ ok, to skeftika
[12:04:47] +EgwKserw+ nomizw oti mpainei se leitourgia se kathe "politismeno" anthrwpo
[12:05:36] +sam_spade+ gia kathe "politismeno" anthrwpo dld
[12:06:30] +EgwKserw+ gia kathe anthrwpo pou zei ti dytiki pragmatikotita. px, ap'oso kserw, se
tribes pou zoune the primitive way, den yparxoyn tetoia pragmata
[12:06:40] +EgwKserw+ i an yparxoyn, oxi ston dytiko bathmo
[12:07:23] +sam_spade+ tote stis prwtogones epoxes den yphrxe amyntikos mhxanismos apo ta atoma ws
pros thn symperifora tous gia na mh tethoun p.x. ektos omadas
[12:07:29] +sam_spade+ ?
[12:10:11] +EgwKserw+ gia tis protwgones epoxes den nomizw na kserei kaneis 100%. apo tin paratirisi
omws kapoiwn ksexasmenwn apo to xrono fylwn poy yparxoyn ana ton kosmo fainetai oti den yparxei i
aisthisi tis atomikotitas kai niwthoun oloi san mia omada. o kathenas einai isos kai kanei ayto poy
kanei xwris na to thewrei san xreos
[12:11:01] +EgwKserw+ bebaia, se merikes fyles yparxoyn oi magoi i oi arxigoi. spania omws, stis
prwtogones, aytoi exoyn kapoia megalytera "pronomia:
[12:12:32] +EgwKserw+ opote den yparxoyn amyntikoy mixanismoi se aytes tis koinwnies (an kai
isws/mallon na yparxoyn eksaireseis)
[12:13:11] +sam_spade+ nai alla fantazomai pws dixws na kseroume epakribws pws ginotane ta pragmata,
mporoume na fantastoume pws an enas apo thn omada eixe gynaikwth symperifora kai de tou ebgaine na
kynhghsei kai na diekperaiwsei alles antrikes douleies de tha energopoiouse amyntiko mhxanismo
symmetexontas, gia na mhn ektopistei?
[12:14:13] +EgwKserw+ i gynaikwti symperifora ekei den einai analogi tis simerinis. gynaikes kai
antres kanoun tis idies douleies, opote kai gynaikwtos na einai o allos den exei prob
[12:15:08] +sam_spade+ dhlwnw agnoia epi tou thematos, ypothesh ekana, alla gia na to les etsi tha
'tane. pame parakatw
[12:16:28] +EgwKserw+ opote, AN ayto poy lew isxyei ontws (epeidi den eimai sigoyros mias kai den exw
meletisei kathe simerini prwtogoni koinwnia) isws tha prepei na symperanoyme oti oi mixanismoi toys
opoios meletoyme twra anaptyxthikan mazi me tin pyraktwsi tis flobas toy politismoy
[12:16:30] +EgwKserw+ symfwneis?
[12:16:55] +sam_spade+ nai
[12:17:20] +EgwKserw+ de tha prepei na anarwtithoyme "giati?" se toyto to simeio?
[12:17:51] +sam_spade+ kai apantaw egw, pws o politismos efere thn katanomh rolwn
[12:18:22] +EgwKserw+ kai ayti i katanomi ti efere?
[12:18:24] +sam_spade+ ara h isothta pou ypothetoume pws yphrxe stis prwtogones koinwnies, epapse na
yparxei
[12:18:38] +sam_spade+ ton atomikismo?
[12:19:36] +EgwKserw+ kai pws kataliksame na exoume tous amyntikoys mixanismoys?
[12:21:17] +sam_spade+ epeidh to atomo otan ksekobei apo thn omada, prospathei na prowthisei to egw
tou, eite gia logous mataiodoksias eite gia na diaxwrisei th thesh tou, ara perna se epithetikes
taktikes?
[12:22:53] +EgwKserw+ wraia, i syzitisi mas odiga sto na katalaboyme kai to prwti themeliwdi kai
genetisia sfalerotita poy xaraktirizei ton simerino anthrwpo
[12:23:13] +EgwKserw+ pisteyeis oti irthe i wra na bgaloyme ton orismo i prepei na psaksoyme kai gia
alles ptyxes sto thema?
[12:24:36] +sam_spade+ pisteyw pws prepei prwta na poume, pws den eimaste armodioi na krinoume an h
omadikh zwh htane kalyterh h an o atomikismos pou epefere o politismos einai sfalma
[12:26:27] +EgwKserw+ ti exeis na peis omws gia tin ypokeimenikotita tis "kalyteris zwis"? emeis
sigoura den mporoume na poume an i zwi twn simerinwn prwtogonwn fylwn einai kalyteri i xeiroteri
apo ayti tis dikis mas zwis, alla yparxei kapoios poy mporei na to pei? mallon prepei na milisoyme
ypothetika
[12:27:25] +sam_spade+ h na to afhsoume opws exei, mias kai den einai dayto to ameso thema mas
[12:28:12] +EgwKserw+ de thes na katapiastoume me pithana sfalmata dil, ok
[12:28:25] +EgwKserw+ me ton orismo mas ti tha kanoume?
[12:30:28] +sam_spade+ leme pws oi amyntikoi mhxanismoi stis diaproswpikes sxeseis twn anthrwpwn
einai ena fainomeno pou ekselixthike mazi me ton politismo kai thn apospash tou atomou apo thn
omada pou htan kai gnwrisma twn prwtogonwn koinwniwn, kai symfwname, nomizw
[12:31:44] +EgwKserw+ nai, kai oi opoioi mixanismoi energopoiountai eite apo thiksimo eite ws
profylaktiko metro
[12:32:25] +sam_spade+ nai eite apo yparxwn thiksimo eite fantastiko
[12:32:37] +sam_spade+ yparxon*
[12:33:23] +EgwKserw+ poly swsta
[12:33:34] +EgwKserw+ mporoun na energopoiithoun oi mixanismoi aytoi kai kapws alliws?
[12:35:17] +sam_spade+ de nomizw
[12:36:12] +EgwKserw+ to endexomeno na mpainoun toutoi oi mixanismoi se leitourgia, apo kapoio simeio
kai meta, apo synitheia (dixws na yparxei logos) pws to blepeis?
[12:38:48] +sam_spade+ nomizw pws ayto mporoume na to entaksoume ws profylaktiko metro pros to
fantastiko thiksimo
[12:40:09] +EgwKserw+ nai, egw paw to syllogismo ligo parapera, kai rwtw an aytoi oi mixanismoi
ginontai tropos zwis xwris kan na yparxei fantastiko i pragmatiko thiksimo
[12:41:01] +sam_spade+ aytos pou efarmozei tetoia stash de to kanei ayto ws profylaktiko metro?
[12:42:12] +sam_spade+ dld einai ena profylaktiko metro diarkeias asxeta apo th fysh ths apeilhs,
pragmatikhs h fantastikhs
[12:43:17] +EgwKserw+ tote mallon den thetei kai alla metra se leitourgia mias kai olakeri ti zwi toy
profylassetai apo to pithano kako
[12:43:22] +EgwKserw+ wstoso symfwnw
[12:43:57] +sam_spade+ wraia
[12:45:00] +EgwKserw+ tharreis pws prepei na koubentiasoume gia to pote i leitourgia twn mixanismwn
aytwn einai swsti kai pote oxi i den paizei rolo?
[12:46:17] +sam_spade+ einai ypokeimeniko tharrw
[12:46:56] +sam_spade+ o kathenas tous ypswnei gia entelws alles aities, opote de nomizw pws mporoume
na katataksoume se swsth h lathos th leitourgia tous analoga me tis aities
[12:47:55] +EgwKserw+ ok, thes loipon na poume merika paradeigmatos ypswsis twn kai na ta afisoume
mona tous na mas deiksoun ti "swstotita" toys?
[12:48:16] +sam_spade+ ame
[12:48:47] +EgwKserw+ exeis kapoio paradeigma sto myalo soy?
[12:49:11] +sam_spade+ kati pernaei, alla kalytera na arxiseis esy pou to xeis kai pio zymwmeno to
thema
[12:50:02] +EgwKserw+ a, oxi, den exw kapoio sygkekrimeno paradeigma sto myalo moy, opote an exeis
kapoi eykairo pisteuw oti to na to koubentiasoume tha mou ferei kai mena kapoio allo paradeigma sto
noy
[12:51:14] +sam_spade+ wraia, as poume gia thn symperifora "se thigw prwtou me thikseis"
[12:51:52] +EgwKserw+ poly epityximeni epilogi
[12:52:19] +EgwKserw+ exw paratirisei loipon oti stis sxeseis twn anthrwpwn metaksy toys, idiaitera
an einai aytes filikes, epikratei poly thiksimo etsi gia tin plaka
[12:52:48] +sam_spade+ nai alla de nomizw pws mporoume na to entaksoume ayto, sthn anwthe symperifora
[12:53:49] +EgwKserw+ egw nomizw pws mporoume na to entaksoume kai ayto, mazi me to gegonos oti
lambanoyme eyxaristisi me to na meiwnoume kapoion allon
[12:58:46] +sam_spade+ ok
[12:58:59] +sam_spade+ alla metaksy filwn
[12:59:18] +sam_spade+ de nomizw pws symbainei na thigei o enas ton allon
[12:59:23] +sam_spade+ gia na mh ton thiksei aytos prwtos
[12:59:34] +sam_spade+ epeidh
[12:59:38] +sam_spade+ hdh gnwrizonte
[13:00:20] +EgwKserw+ nai, alla de milame mono gia metaksy filwn monaxa, an kai pisteyw oti kai stis filikes sxeseis yparxei to endexomeno poy les
[13:00:25] +EgwKserw+ se mikro bathmo
[13:01:19] +sam_spade+ tespa to thema einai to thiksimo gia thn plaka kai to tzertzelo
[13:02:00] +sam_spade+ ki ayto pera apo tis anwthe aities mporei na einai kai amyna
[13:02:23] +sam_spade+ gia na mhn thixthei aytos pou thigei prwtos
[13:02:50] +EgwKserw+ ame. exeis pragmatiko paradeigma (dixws onomata)?
[13:04:25] +sam_spade+ den m' erxetai, isws epeidh ti thiksimo tetoias morfhs pou exw parathrhsei den einai entono, apla mia dysforia apenanti ston allona, opote menei ektos nomizw
[13:04:41] +sam_spade+ mporw edw na sou anaferw allo eidos omws
[13:04:49] +sam_spade+ pou tha sou ferw kai paradeigma kai mena ton idio
[13:05:07] +sam_spade+ polles fores exw skoliasei arnhtika atoma pou metepeita syndethika filika mazi tous
[13:05:35] +sam_spade+ epeidh edrasa aperiskepta kai me elafra syneidhsh, to thiksimo omws htane tzertzelediko
[13:06:01] +EgwKserw+ ti ennoeis tzertzelediko, kane me na to piasw
[13:06:06] +sam_spade+ sta plaisia tou koinwnikou skoliasmou dld
[13:06:20] +sam_spade+ xwris na ksereis kapoiona pragmatika
[13:06:37] +sam_spade+ amolas thn arloumpa sou panw sto tzertzelo dld, etsi
[13:07:27] +EgwKserw+ otan den agapiomastan emeis oi 2 ti eidous amyntikoys mixanismous xrisimopoiousame?
[13:08:20] +sam_spade+ nai alla toulaxisto apo thn pleyra mou file, den aposkopousan se meiwsh, alla sto genikotero tzertzelo
[13:08:36] +sam_spade+ mias kai to Irc empneei gia tetoia
[13:09:12] +EgwKserw+ sigoura empneei gia tetoia kai xairomai pou to eblepes san tzertzelo giati eixa tin ypopsia oti isws kai oxi
[13:09:23] +EgwKserw+ mou rthe ena paradeigma twra pou to xw biwsei apo konta
[13:09:42] +sam_spade+ rixto
[13:10:21] +sam_spade+ gia to panw, e file oi antidraseis mou pou htane tou idiou klimatos ayto edeixnan
[13:10:42] +EgwKserw+ ok, na arxisw twra?
[13:10:53] +sam_spade+ nai, giati oxi
[13:11:36] +EgwKserw+ itan mia sxesi metaksy enos antra kai mias gynaikas megalyteris toy sto psisimo
[13:12:44] +EgwKserw+ kai ayti ton proeidopoiouse oti se kathe sxesi tis mexri tote to apotelesma itan na ragizei tin kardia twn syntrofwn tis (itan skliri gynaika)
[13:13:05] +EgwKserw+ e, tis leei o allos oti einai prothymos na parei to risko kai sxetizontai
[13:14:48] +EgwKserw+ gia ton a i ton b logo toys opoious den toys gnwrizw kai toso kala ayto poy fainontan san enas megalos erwtas ksafnika pauei logw "elleipsis endiaferontos" toy antra, i kati tetoio telos pantwn
[13:15:19] +EgwKserw+ elleipsis endiaferontos agnwstwn aitiwn
[13:16:08] +EgwKserw+ fysiko itan loipon i gynaika na anaptyksei amyntikoys mixanismoys apenanti ston antra epeidi pligwthike
[13:16:49] +sam_spade+ san
[13:17:20] +EgwKserw+ to gegonos omws oti eixe kanei ti dilwsei peri twn ragismenwn kardiwn poy eixe dimiourgisei i gynaika gyrise san mpoumerangk pisw tis kanontas tin na anaptyksei toys mixanismoys poy meletame kai ston idion tis ton eayto
[13:17:38] +EgwKserw+ exeis akoysei i zisei pote kati analogo?
[13:17:45] +EgwKserw+ oxi me tis leptomereies, me to apotelesma
[13:18:31] +sam_spade+ mporei na htane amyntikos mhxanismos to "ragizw kardies" eksarxhs
[13:19:08] +sam_spade+ gia na diasfalisei th thesh tou empeirou kai akardou ths skeshs
[13:19:35] +sam_spade+ kati analogo, ti na sou pw, oxi mallon
[13:21:00] +EgwKserw+ den exeis ypoptefthei dil oti isws na xrisimopoioume amyntikoys mixanismoys enantion toy eaytoy mas?
[13:21:06] +EgwKserw+ oxi esy ki egw aparaitita, emeis o kosmos
[13:22:00] +sam_spade+ nai alla gia na to empedwsw
[13:22:19] +sam_spade+ ti amyntikous mhxanismous aneptykse ayth metepeita?
[13:23:14] +EgwKserw+ den mporw na soy pw me sigoyria epeidi exasa epafi meta ton xwrismo tis me ton filo moy kai o,ti kserw apo kei kai pera ta kserw mesw aytoy
[13:23:15] +EgwKserw+ omws
[13:23:35] +sam_spade+ estw
[13:24:19] +EgwKserw+ e, skata, den mporw na to perigrapsw
[13:24:53] +sam_spade+ em ama den me les ti amyntiko mhxanismo aneptykse pws na kserw an einai enantion tou eaytou ths
[13:26:13] +EgwKserw+ apolyto dikio exeis
[13:26:19] +EgwKserw+ katse na balw tis skepseis moy se mia roi
[13:28:12] +EgwKserw+ tharrw pws exei balei ti zwis tis twra pia katw apo ena peplo symbibasmoy kai prospathei na peisei ton eayto tis oti kanei to swsto enw de nomizw pws to pisteuei. twra tha moy peis ti eidos symbimasmos einai aytos. nomizw me ton eykolo tropo. alla epeidi yparxei megali pithanotita na kanw lathos, as to paroyme ypothetika
[13:29:47] +sam_spade+ dldis anaptysei amyntikous mhxanismous kanontas synexeia symbibasmous gia na mhn plhgwthei ksanamana?
[13:31:53] +EgwKserw+ nai, mporeis na to peis ki etsi. apo ti mia meria isws na einai kalo epeidi apofeygei na pligwthei apo tin alli symbibazetai me tin arnitikia ennoia tis leksis tin opoia partin opws theleis
[13:32:02] +sam_spade+ e de nomizw pws einai amyna ayto, terma dixws gkolkiper einai
[13:32:53] +EgwKserw+ mallon gklokiper dixws terma
[13:32:57] +EgwKserw+ gkolkiper ever
[13:33:17] +sam_spade+ h kai ta dyo dixws omada na paizei amyna
[13:34:18] +sam_spade+ tespa, edw einai o symbibasmos ws amyna
[13:34:24] +EgwKserw+ opote sympairenoyme oti den einai kati to "idaniko" xwris na mpainoyme stin ypokeimenikotita tis leksis
[13:34:31] +sam_spade+ dld paw gia ta liga kai sigoura an katalaba kala
[13:34:57] +EgwKserw+ nai
[13:35:13] +EgwKserw+ pas gia ayta enw epithymeis piotera mesa soy batheia
[13:35:28] +EgwKserw+ prin ta epithymoyses anoixta, meta ta xwses batheia
[13:35:36] +sam_spade+ e oloi to kanoume ayto giati to piotero den exei telos
[13:35:45] +sam_spade+ opote oloi kapou symbibazomaste
[13:36:02] +sam_spade+ to problhma einai an o symbibasmos ginetai me kati anaksio omws
[13:36:24] +sam_spade+ h tespa oxi me kati isio me mas
[13:38:12] +EgwKserw+ gamise ta, twra bgainoun ki alloi paragontes gia koubenta opws px to an tha itan to beltisto na mporoyme na ftasoyme se kapoio simeio pou na mi theloyme to piotero, kai an mporoume na to kamoume
[13:39:05] +sam_spade+ an tha tane efikto tha 'lega egw
[13:41:11] +EgwKserw+ nai, thelw na milisoyme me to myalo sto kefali mas, oxi gia idealismous pou akougontai beltistoi sti skepsi monaxa
[13:41:16] +sam_spade+ twra eida pws to thetes ki etsi sto deytero skelos
[13:41:18] +sam_spade+ opote nai
[13:41:25] +sam_spade+ kai an tha tane kalytero kai efikto
[13:41:30] +EgwKserw+ etsi, opws exw egw ki esy simera, pisteueis oti mporoyme kai "prepei" na to kataferoume?
[13:42:19] +sam_spade+ eimai ths apopshs pws ama den pas gia to beltisto den mporeis na matheis poio einai to orio sou
[13:42:33] +sam_spade+ apo th stigmh pou matheis poio einai to orio sou
[13:42:56] +sam_spade+ mallon otan to orio erthei fysika ws apodoxh kai oxi ws anagkh
[13:43:07] +sam_spade+ ekei kaneis ton symbibasmo
[13:43:09] +EgwKserw+ to orio omws maresei na to blepw oxi mesa s'ena plegma periorismou ma ikanopoiiseis
[13:43:31] +sam_spade+ etsi
[13:43:48] +sam_spade+ eksallou
[13:44:04] +sam_spade+ panta yparxei h ypokeimenikothta kai mporei to orio gia emas na nai to beltisto
[13:44:15] +sam_spade+ gia arketo kairo mporei kai gia panta
[13:44:46] +sam_spade+ oso pou les
[13:44:51] +sam_spade+ gia to ti einai kalytero
[13:44:59] +sam_spade+ kalytera to orio para to orgio, nomizw
[13:45:21] +EgwKserw+ isws to beltisto na einai ki olas mia synexizomeni katastasi gia mas i opoia de tha exei kapoious sygkekrimenes odous mono isws stoxous
[13:45:33] +EgwKserw+ ti ennoeis me to orgio?
[13:50:41] +sam_spade+ loipon
[13:50:50] +sam_spade+ otan exoume pes mpafo polyn
[13:51:03] +sam_spade+ kai aposkopoume sthn eyxaristish ths mastouras
[13:51:08] +sam_spade+ ws hdonistes
[13:51:28] +sam_spade+ kai kseperasoume to orio pou to pinoume kai ftasoume sto shmeio na mas pinei
[13:51:30] +EgwKserw+ haeh, gia pes
[13:51:34] +sam_spade+ ekei einai to orgio
[13:51:39] +EgwKserw+ poly swsta
[13:51:46] +EgwKserw+ omws to erwtima einai, pio einai to orio?
[13:51:57] +sam_spade+ h yperbash tou oriou
[13:52:05] +sam_spade+ tou fysikou mas oriou
[13:52:16] +sam_spade+ kai to shmeio pou xanoume ton elegxo
[13:52:38] +EgwKserw+ ki egw ayto eixa sto myalo moy, opote symfwnoyme kai pali
[13:53:26] +sam_spade+ gia na sto dwsw kai apo allhn optikh kai me asteismo
[13:53:33] +sam_spade+ an me poune emena oi tool ela paikse mazi mas
[13:53:38] +sam_spade+ nai tha goustara me ta xilia
[13:53:58] +EgwKserw+ ma?
[13:54:04] +sam_spade+ ama den mporousa na antapokrithw de tha katalhge mapa h fash?
[13:56:26] +EgwKserw+ ama itan etsi opws to les nai, alla gia na se poyn oi tool na paikseis mazi toys kati tha kseroyn (px se exoyn akousei kai theloyn na kanoyn ena meigma tis mousikis toys kai tis dikias sou, oxi na perimenoun na paikseis sto styl toy proigoymenoy kitharista toys)
[13:57:25] +sam_spade+ thetw mia ypothesh pou to prospernaw ayto to stadio gia na sou deiksw pws akoma ki an petyxoume kati pou einai panw apo ayto pou mporoume na shkwsoume stis plates mas, yparxei problhma
[13:58:03] +EgwKserw+ opote kataleigoyme sto oti einai kalo na exoyme aytognwsia
[13:58:32] +sam_spade+ nai
[13:59:08] +sam_spade+ gia na mh thetoume ws amyntiko mhxanismo to symbibasmo
[13:59:14] +EgwKserw+ wraia
[13:59:20] +EgwKserw+ pisteyw oti einai mia poly kataliksi gia tin wra
[13:59:38] +sam_spade+ ame
[13:59:39] +EgwKserw+ en opsi kai tou gegonotos oti thelw na paw na paralabw ti nea syskeyi moy nokia prin kleisei to katastima tis vodafone
And the beat goes on...
[13:06:33] +EgwKserw+ Void ela na se pw gia tin idea oso ti thymamai akoma
[13:06:43] +Void+ e pes
[13:07:55] +EgwKserw+ eida mia diafimisi apo kati san Dove i kati tetoio pou exei gomenes pou lene poso kalo einai to Dove ktl
[13:08:04] +Void+ nai
[13:08:11] +EgwKserw+ kai mia tous ekane "eeew" deixnontas aidia gia kati
[13:08:14] +EgwKserw+ wraia ws edw?
[13:08:28] +Void+ ni
[13:10:01] +EgwKserw+ thelw na piasoume ayto to poly mikro komati tou gklompalizatsion (to "eeew") kai na to megenthynoyme
[13:10:19] +Void+ e
[13:10:27] +Void+ ti sxesh exei to glompalization?
[13:11:10] +EgwKserw+ heh, sto oti oi ellinides de legane "eeew" prin liga xronia :)
[13:11:22] +Void+ maehueahoeauheaouhea
[13:11:22] +Void+ ok
[13:11:24] +Void+ topiasa
[13:11:52] +EgwKserw+ kai akou na deis (wait ligo)
[13:18:25] +EgwKserw+ loipon to videaki arxizei me ti diafimisi (me agglikoys ypotitloys katw) mexri to simeio toy "eeew" tis gomenas
[13:18:35] +Void+ ni
[13:19:36] +EgwKserw+ kai meta, i skepsi moy einai, na petaksoyme polles alles eikones apo anthrwpoys poy kanoyn "eeew" poy exoyn dytiki proeleFsi (px polles skines apo diasima erga, kamia skini ama broume apo video hair metal bandas poy na kanei o frontman "eeew" klp)
[13:19:47] +EgwKserw+ ksereis, bombardismos apo tetoies eikones mesa se liga seconds
[13:20:05] +Void+ ni exei sto intro apo to i like big butts
[13:20:09] +Void+ nomizw mia gomena pou kanei ew
[13:21:17] +EgwKserw+ kali fasi
[13:21:29] +Void+ e kai to video meta olo ayto einai?
[13:21:33] +Void+ poly ew 8a peseo
[13:21:36] +Void+ pesei
[13:22:11] +EgwKserw+ kai na to desoyme olo me ena moysiko background se styl manu chao poy na einai tragoydi kai na exei refren "gklompalizatsioooooooooon" (isws na exoyn idi tetoio tragoudi oi manu epeidi ayto poy akoyw sto myalo moy me fainetai gnwsto)
[13:22:26] +EgwKserw+ anamesa sta eeews mporoyme na probaloyme kai alla dytika idewdi
[13:22:29] +Void+ aha
[13:22:31] +Void+ e koita
[13:22:34] +Void+ ama gyrisei o kleitos
[13:22:45] +Void+ kai kaneis to research gia ta plana me kosmo na kanei ew
[13:22:48] +Void+ aneta sto montarei
[13:22:52] +Void+ kai kotsarei kai mousikh
[13:23:49] +EgwKserw+ les na mporoume na to xrisimopoiisoume kapou/kapws?
[13:24:10] +Void+ e san intro gia tragoudi
[13:24:15] +Void+ allou pou na to valeis?
[13:24:41] +EgwKserw+ video intro gia tragoudi?
[13:24:45] +EgwKserw+ gia live show?
[13:24:54] +Void+ nai kai gia ayta
[13:25:07] +Void+ 3erw gw
[13:25:11] +Void+ me pianeis aproetoimasto
[13:25:21] +Void+ eimai sthn douleia kai kaiw to kefali mou
[13:26:00] +EgwKserw+ heh, ok. thes na synantithoyme next week afoy gyrisw apo athens (an paw)? +--- ayto einai erwtoapokrisi sto lj reply soy
[13:26:27] +Void+ mesa
[13:27:08] +Void+ na 3eperdeyw kai me apofoithsh
[13:28:23] +EgwKserw+ pws niwtheis poy apofoitas?
[13:28:35] +Void+ e
[13:28:40] +Void+ 3erw gw
[13:28:44] +Void+ den mou kanei entypwsh
[13:29:07] +EgwKserw+ niwtheis pws eftases se enan neo stathmo (orosimo) tis zwis soy i mpa?
[13:29:15] +Void+ e mpa
[13:29:19] +Void+ apla teleiwsa me thn sxolh
[13:29:21] +Void+ kairos gia alla
[13:29:27] +Void+ vasika
[13:29:33] +Void+ twra pou teleiwsa me ta anagkastika
[13:29:40] +Void+ mporw na psa3w na vrw ti 8elw na kanw
[13:29:42] +Void+ me thn zwh mou
[13:30:30] +Void+ esy me sxolh ti kaneis?
[13:30:33] +Void+ teleiwses?
[13:30:40] +EgwKserw+ teleiwsa semester
[13:30:42] +EgwKserw+ paw laoy laoy
[13:30:48] +EgwKserw+ alla poly kala
[13:31:05] +Void+ kewl
[13:33:44] +Void+ kai potenes teleiwneis?
[13:34:43] +EgwKserw+ se 1-1+1/2 xronia
[13:35:11] +Void+ e ok kala eisai
[13:35:18] +Void+ egw to travh3a 5
[13:35:20] +Void+ ftanei as poume
[13:35:40] +EgwKserw+ edouleues omws ki olas
[13:35:46] +Void+ e ni
[13:35:50] +Void+ e
[13:35:52] +Void+ paw na faw
[13:35:54] +Void+ pe8ainw
[13:35:56] +Void+ den mporw
[13:36:00] +Void+ ante ta leme meta
...and it still goes on...
[13:12:04] +NightRebel+ sigoura 3ereis?
[13:13:42] +EgwKserw+ katse, twra exw 2 simantikes syzitiseis kai den mporw na emplakw se 3i, an katseis mesa tha milisoyme ligo argotera
[13:14:20] +NightRebel+ take your time :)
[13:28:39] +EgwKserw+ ela mastora
[13:29:04] +NightRebel+ ehe kalhmera
[13:29:11] +NightRebel+ (kalhspera otidipote)
[13:29:16] +EgwKserw+ kalispera nai
[13:29:31] +NightRebel+ ti sizitiseis eixes an epitrepetai?
[13:30:31] +EgwKserw+ kanw mia proforiki diatribi me enan filo peri twn anthrwpinwn amyntikwn mixanismwn poy diepoyn tis diaproswpikes sxeseis kai me enan allo miloysame gia mia idea gia ena video peri tou globalization
[13:31:04] +NightRebel+ hmm poli endiaferon to prwto an kai den to exw skeftei pote
[13:32:31] +EgwKserw+ exthes moy eleges oti ola einai polemos kai den exeis skeftei giaFton ton poly simantiko tomea amynas?
[13:33:09] +NightRebel+ me mia proxeiri skepsi ypo8etw oti stis diaproswpikes sxeseis oi synomilites pernoun ton rolo tous
[13:33:17] +NightRebel+ o enas epiti8etai kai o allos amynetai
[13:33:43] +EgwKserw+ kai giati yparxoyn mono aytoi oi 2 roloi?
[13:34:12] +NightRebel+ giati otan allilepidroun prokaloun tin sizitisi
[13:34:43] +NightRebel+ an kai sigoura den yparxoun mono aytoi oi dyo roloi
[13:34:58] +NightRebel+ esy ti pisteyeis?
[13:36:41] +EgwKserw+ sigoyra yparxoyn kai alloi roloi anamesa stin apostasi poy xwrizei ton amyntiko apo ton epithetiko, omws giati poly spania den yparxoyn roloi eksw apo to fasma dayto?
[13:37:15] +NightRebel+ den 3erw - auto einai pou epikratei
[13:37:23] +NightRebel+ den mporw na fantastw allous rolous
[13:37:52] +NightRebel+ an kai oi mixanismoi amynas pikoiloun
[13:39:31] +EgwKserw+ nai, alla exw ftasei sto symperasma oti aytin tin katastasi epithesis-amynas metaksy dyo anthrwpwn den tin dimiourgoune aparaitita kai oi 2
[13:39:32] +NightRebel+ ase me na to skeftw ligo kairo :)
[13:39:37] +EgwKserw+ px
[13:40:28] +EgwKserw+ epses esy moy anoikses koybenta me mia symperifora poy tha mporoyse na xaraktiristei emmesa epithetiki enw egw me ayta poy soy elega soy edeixna oti den ypirxe logos na epitetheis kai kata synepeia egw na amynthw
[13:40:56] +NightRebel+ nai ontws eimoun kapws eristikos
[13:41:07] +NightRebel+ an apantouses to idio epi8etika den 8a evgene tpt
[13:41:58] +EgwKserw+ opote elpizw i xthesini mas synomilia na se boithise oso boithise ki emena
[13:42:20] +NightRebel+ nai ligo poli ola me voh8ane
[13:42:35] +NightRebel+ esy eniwses 'veltiwmenos' dld?
[13:43:12] +NightRebel+ egw den antilamvanomai amesa tin diafora
[13:43:39] +EgwKserw+ frontise me ton kairo loipon na beltiwseis touti ti xroniki diafora antilipsis
[13:43:45] +EgwKserw+ nai, boithithika ki egw oso na nai
[13:44:31] +NightRebel+ oxi apla tin epomeni fora pou 8a 3ekinisw synomilia isws den eimai eristikos
[13:46:10] +EgwKserw+ e, kala, ayto tha prepei na to kaneis tis pio polles fores prin eksairesewn pou apaitoun tetoiou eidous symperifora
[13:46:36] +EgwKserw+ to thema einai, apo ti stigmi poy theleis na emplakeis se mia koybenta na bgaleis o,ti kalytero mporeis apo aFtin oxi o,ti xeirotero
[13:46:44] +NightRebel+ an apaiteitai tetoiou eidous symperifora kalytera na min arxiseis ka8olou tin synomilia
[13:46:45] +NightRebel+ px
[13:46:54] +NightRebel+ mpainw se ena kanali pio prin kai lew mouaha :)
[13:47:07] +NightRebel+ kai mou apantaei: 'ti gelas re malaka?'
[13:47:30] +NightRebel+ e den a3izei oute na ton vriseis oute na asxolei8eis pereterw mazi tou meta
[13:47:48] +EgwKserw+ entaksei, egw sou lew gia periptwseis pou den exeis kapoia alli epilogi (px na eisai pitsadoros kai na mi sou kollaei ensima to afentiko edw kai 4 mines enw leei oti sou kollaei. alla kai pali, tha prepei na psakseis oles tis alles lyseis prwta)
[13:48:12] +EgwKserw+ sa biblio "10 tropoi na ginetai swstos anthrwpos" mou fainomai twra alla de gamietai
[13:48:47] +NightRebel+ enta3ei prepei na sta8mizeis ton an8rwpo pou 8a miliseis kai na dialegeis tin analogi symperifora 8arrw
[13:49:08] +EgwKserw+ nai, alla i default symperifora de tha prepei na einai eristiki
[13:49:32] +NightRebel+ den nomizw oti yparxei default symperifora :)
[13:49:48] +NightRebel+ apla dialegoume random analoga me tin psyxiki mas katastasi ekeini tin dedomeni xroniki stigmi
[13:50:08] +EgwKserw+ tote eimaste ermaio tis psyxikis mas katastasis
[13:50:13] +EgwKserw+ kai de mou aresei i idea aytoy
[13:50:17] +NightRebel+ safws - to arneisai?
[13:51:09] +EgwKserw+ den to arnoymai oti etsi ithistai, aplws egw prospathw na to periorisw ston eayto moy
[13:51:45] +NightRebel+ nai einai kalo na to elenxeis oso perissotero mporeis
[13:52:04] +EgwKserw+ me ton elegxo den kataferneis kai polla
[13:52:12] +EgwKserw+ to thema einai na to afomiwseis ston eayto soy
[13:52:29] +NightRebel+ nai alla to prwimo stadio tis afomiwsis einai o elenxos
[13:52:35] +NightRebel+ dld prepei prwta na to ti8aseyseis
[13:52:54] +EgwKserw+ standard, aplws min perioristeis ston elegxo monaxa
[13:53:18] +NightRebel+ e i afomiwsi erxetai meta apo moni tis
[13:53:32] +EgwKserw+ panta?
[13:53:46] +NightRebel+ 8arrw pws nai - an kai den mou aresei na eimai apolytos
[13:55:22] +EgwKserw+ kai mena de mou aresei na eimai apolytos giaFto afinw to endexomeno anoixto. bebaia isws to endexomeno na einai mikro kai na sygxyw ton elegxo metaksy twn anthrwpwn me ton elegxw twn synaisthimatwn mas, alla anyway
[13:56:12] +NightRebel+ e ta synais8imata den elenxontai :) kai ayto einai apolyto
[13:56:54] +EgwKserw+ e ama den elegxontai ti leme tosi wra peri toy oti tha prepei na ta elegksoume gia na ta afomiwsoume sti synexia?
[13:57:08] +NightRebel+ allo ti prepei
[13:57:10] -+ -egwkserw- re, mpas kai den paei kati kala maFton?
[13:57:10] -EgwKserw- re, mpas kai den paei kati kala maFton?
[13:57:21] +NightRebel+ (an kai den eimai sigouros an prepei)
[13:57:38] +NightRebel+ to 8ema einai oti sigoura den einai eykolo kai merikes fores einai akator8wto
[13:58:38] +EgwKserw+ e twra me kaneis kai niwthw san o kalos ippotis poy paei na petyxei to akatorthwto
[13:58:51] +EgwKserw+ katse na prospathisoume prwta kai meta blepoume poso kataferto einai
[13:58:59] +NightRebel+ an pisteyeis oti einai to 8emito, prokalese to :)
[14:00:00] +EgwKserw+ thanx for the tip, I'll try
[14:00:20] +NightRebel+ mi me kaneis na niw8w symvoulatoras, to misw :)
[14:01:13] +EgwKserw+ ok
[14:01:30] +NightRebel+ to nick sou omws den einai kapws apolyto?
[14:02:01] +EgwKserw+ einai, nai
[14:02:05] +EgwKserw+ alla einai kai poly geniko
[14:02:48] +NightRebel+ nai an kai fantazei pseytiko :)
[14:04:02] +NightRebel+ poso etwn eisai an epitrepetai?
[14:04:07] +EgwKserw+ ma den ksereis gia ti anaferomai, den ksereis an ayto pou kserw to kserw ontws
[14:04:14] +EgwKserw+ 21, 22 para
[14:04:49] +NightRebel+ nai alla i anagi gia tin apodei3i tis gnwsis einai prospa8eia apoktisis deyterogenous dynamis, ekei pou isws leipei i ay8entiki
[14:05:24] +EgwKserw+ den katalaba tpt apo to teleutaio
[14:05:58] +NightRebel+ e den xwraei pereterw analysi :)
[14:06:52] +EgwKserw+ na me sygxwrnas tote, ma den mporw n'akolouthisw
[14:07:12] +NightRebel+ den yparxei provlima, i alh8eia einai oti kai gw kourastika
[14:07:43] +NightRebel+ kai exw na koimi8w 3 meres :/
[14:08:22] +EgwKserw+ e koimisou totes
[14:09:00] +NightRebel+ den nystazw - apla niw8w poli eksantlimenos
[14:09:42] +EgwKserw+ kane kati rejuvenating totes
[14:09:52] +NightRebel+ san ti dld?
[14:10:06] +EgwKserw+ den kserw, esy ksereis ti se ftiaxnei
[14:10:22] +NightRebel+ hmm isws na pai3w ki8ara
[14:12:12] +EgwKserw+ kai to skeytesai ki olas?
[14:12:33] +NightRebel+ i alh8eia einai oti to apofeygw
[14:13:06] +NightRebel+ den mporw na pai3w opws palia kai ayto me ponaei :/
[14:14:24] +EgwKserw+ tha se rwtisw to giati otan ta ksanapoume, twra prepei na apoxwrisw
[14:14:26] +EgwKserw+ take care
[14:14:41] +NightRebel+ ok u 2