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Sep 22, 2011 22:02

[ Post this conversation. Eddie's given Hoffman a lot to think about. First and Foremost.]

How many people on this boat are a victim of a crime? Not perpetrated, not committed, not falsely accused, not guilty none of that How many people have been hurt-by a criminal ( Read more... )

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 06:17:57 UTC
What are you having difficulty with?

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[Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 06:26:46 UTC
...Lupin deserves better then "That issue's resolved."

He deserves better then that. The man deathtolled and all you were able to give him was "That's all there is?"..

Something feels off about this case to me. I can't put my finger on it.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 06:34:18 UTC
You might be right.

Lupin's not a warrior, and she didn't take his heart.

I don't know that she had something against vampires, but you can ask Dr. Jones.

He didn't do anything particularly offensive to any gods that I know of. I don't think he would have went out of his way to agitate her in the library.

If she wanted her warden's attention, it would have made more sense to kill someone that she was close to. Not someone that her husband disliked.

But, it's his case. I know not everyone agrees here, but there's always the "I don't want to press charges" reasoning you can't get around. How far it's looked into should be up to him, even if we think or know that the victim deserves better. They are the victim. We serve the victim.

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Re: [Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 06:42:02 UTC
[Serve the victim. Right.]

You need to remind some people that you serve the victim then. I just...You're consulting him about this right?

[He hates being on the outside. hates it.]

There's a real cavalier attitude toward the death toll, toward dying here. But it's not the issue with the crime, it's just...the guy deserved better then that.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 06:52:31 UTC
I was excluded from information on the case, therefore any investigation being conducted was carried on without me and relied heavily on forensic evidence ( ... )

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Re: [Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 06:59:24 UTC

I'll drop it. I just-

The burden of showing that some action has been taken lies on the murderer's warden. It-It might take time but it strikes me as...

unfair on a lot of levels.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 07:08:09 UTC
There are a lot of things unfair, and there are now also a number of contributing factors we don't know about. As far as we know, Coyolxauhqui might have been having an affair with Dr. Watson and was rejected, and just gotten confused. But now they're both gone so there's no way make inquiries.

It's really difficult here because wardens are judges, court-appointed attorneys, therapists, law enforcement, and jailers all wrapped up in one thing. So they constantly have to shift what interest they're trying to defend, whether it be their own, the victim of their inmate, their inmate, or the warden of the inmate that victimized them. We're very complicated civil servants receiving the equivalent of galactic hazard pay and the best medical that can be conceived considering the regularity of violent crime.

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[Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 07:13:59 UTC

All the more reason people should cut you guys some slack. You and Narvin and Lupin and Sarah.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 07:19:15 UTC
That's just the way it is. "The man" versus "the friendly uniform". You don't do the job for gratitude, you do the job so you live in a tolerable environment. You can't decide how people will react to you. You just do the job. If you can't do the job, it's your responsibility to step back and accept your limitations.

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[Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 07:21:54 UTC
I can do the job.

Why the fuck shouldn't I be able to do the job? Did it for twenty years...

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 08:44:39 UTC
I'm speaking generally about warden agreements. But if you can do the job and do it within the confines of the law...

I want you to think really hard about this question. Do you want justice or do you want revenge on the behalf of your warden?

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: [Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 08:54:34 UTC
..

I want him to have some kind of closure. Something more then "Case closed."

He's my guy. He's my friend. I'd want that for you too.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 08:56:28 UTC
Does he have closure, or is it you that don't have closure because you weren't able to keep it from happening?

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Re: [Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 09:02:28 UTC

[He has to think about this.]

I don't know how he feels. I-

I was talking with Nygma. [He's not saying Eddie right now] His reaction bothered me. It seemed like he was just so cavalier about it. I want the guy to feel safe.

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[Private | Text] most_feared September 23 2011, 09:17:33 UTC
I think, maybe sometimes you feel inadequate for not being able to do enough. I know, I've been there. And it's not guilt I feel. It's being inadequate, and I can't stand it.

But it's my feeling, and not one I'm superimposing over someone else's feelings.

He may not feel safe. There are plenty of reasons on this ship that someone wouldn't feel safe, and a recent murder victim might not. But justice is acknowledging an ethical transgression and providing necessary punishment if applicable. Revenge is a hostile action taken because of a personal grievance.

You really need to be sure what are your feelings and what are theirs, or what theirs actually would be if they're not around to state them clearly.

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Re: [Private | Text] expectremorse September 23 2011, 09:25:35 UTC
...It's not...about revenge. [Is it? Hoffman leans back and wonders. He wanted Lupin safe. The guy had brought him blood. He had never shied away from him when he was turned into a vampire. What was he to him?

He cared. He had a kid. And he could look him in the eye after all of the shit that he'd done. Like Kay.]

...I do feel inadequate for not being able to work on the case. The guy was there. I kept thinking I'd be fucking blamed for killing him. I couldn't do that.

Seeing Eric and everybody on that stupid tape. Shit.

It's not that I want him to have revenge. I just want punishment if applicable. I want closure.

This shit doesn't feel closed, but it's all on him and...

I miss being a cop.

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