Being sick is balls. I haven't been sick in about 6 months, so it only seems appropriate that I get really sick for days on end now, I guess. Ugh, I feel terrible. My mom says I might be sick for another week too. Blech
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Stop kissing that guy's ass. You're too cool to suck up to that loser.
I'm all for simplicity and elegance of explanation. I entirely agree that one shouldn't compound variables beyond necessity. However, in my experience, it can take a whole lot of variables to explain some of the weirder shit in the world. I'm not talking about Criss Angel here, but the world is full of some bizarre shit that boggles the mind and tempts people to resort to all kinds of crazy language to explain. Otherwise we're stuck with a world that doesn't make any kind of sense at all.
Having lived with a ghost, talked to God, and transcended reality, I'm fine with not trying to explain it.
Well, it's not language itself that I have a problem with. Language necessarily is confining with regards to human experience (simply because it is not the same thing - map isn't the territory). That's okay.
But it seems like people will put faith into and actually believe the language they produce which explains the world in a fantastical way, unrelated to their basic senses and thought patterns.
My concern is that people will say "God is X" (for instance) and actually believe there is a thing out there "God." Not to say I'm only concerned with God-thoughts here...I'm not trying to be juvenile. Just any sort of mystical, non-normal language that just has a character to it which seems to imply the belief in the words themselves as the objects, rather than say, as fingers pointing to the moon.
Perhaps brother's mind, body, spirit in unison bit was an attempt to express an internal experience. Rather than a mystification of it then he was simply using personal vocabulary to describe a subjective phenomenon.
What kind of narration are you talking about though, anyway, besides the guy hanging from a helicopter?
Re: here's to language.exclamationmarkJune 6 2007, 03:10:39 UTC
Sorry for the lateness in the reply...
I'll copy my answer to Austin and put it here in the hopes that it will help:
Well, it's not language itself that I have a problem with. Language necessarily is confining with regards to human experience (simply because it is not the same thing - map isn't the territory). That's okay.
But it seems like people will put faith into and actually believe the language they produce which explains the world in a fantastical way, unrelated to their basic senses and thought patterns.
My concern is that people will say "God is X" (for instance) and actually believe there is a thing out there "God." Not to say I'm only concerned with God-thoughts here...I'm not trying to be juvenile. Just any sort of mystical, non-normal language that just has a character to it which seems to imply the belief in the words themselves as the objects, rather than say, as fingers pointing to the moon.
Re: here's to language.ensurientchaos_June 6 2007, 09:21:12 UTC
Yes, it makes sense. But my point is not all language that sounds mystical is an expression of belief. Sometimes people are trying to describe their experiences as accurately as possible and only the usual terminology seems to work. So "the language they produce which explains the world in a fantastical way", sometimes IS "their basic senses and thought patterns
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Re: here's to language.ensurientchaos_June 6 2007, 09:31:59 UTC
I think the scientific debunker type, the materialist in the last post, annoys me more, maybe. I feel like the mystical type just may have never come into contact with the rigors of scientific thought and so never even been able to even think about how he could be wrong. But the scientist should know better than to declare the nonexistence of something he hasn't even defined. I am always surprised by how unscientific people can be about the so-called mystical. They'll spend years subjecting a new discovery to peer review before coming to any working conclusions, but feel they can be absolutely certain that telekinesis doesn't exist after watching the Amazing Randi debunk Uri Geller on TV. It boggles the mind really.
It was meant to confuse you, and completely random. I was referring to the fish-avatar of Eris who explained the origin of the universe to me. Don't worry, she mocks everyone, it's what she does.
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I'm all for simplicity and elegance of explanation. I entirely agree that one shouldn't compound variables beyond necessity. However, in my experience, it can take a whole lot of variables to explain some of the weirder shit in the world. I'm not talking about Criss Angel here, but the world is full of some bizarre shit that boggles the mind and tempts people to resort to all kinds of crazy language to explain. Otherwise we're stuck with a world that doesn't make any kind of sense at all.
Having lived with a ghost, talked to God, and transcended reality, I'm fine with not trying to explain it.
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Well, it's not language itself that I have a problem with. Language necessarily is confining with regards to human experience (simply because it is not the same thing - map isn't the territory). That's okay.
But it seems like people will put faith into and actually believe the language they produce which explains the world in a fantastical way, unrelated to their basic senses and thought patterns.
My concern is that people will say "God is X" (for instance) and actually believe there is a thing out there "God." Not to say I'm only concerned with God-thoughts here...I'm not trying to be juvenile. Just any sort of mystical, non-normal language that just has a character to it which seems to imply the belief in the words themselves as the objects, rather than say, as fingers pointing to the moon.
Does that make sense?
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Rather than a mystification of it then he was simply using personal vocabulary to describe a subjective phenomenon.
What kind of narration are you talking about though, anyway, besides the guy hanging from a helicopter?
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I'll copy my answer to Austin and put it here in the hopes that it will help:
Well, it's not language itself that I have a problem with. Language necessarily is confining with regards to human experience (simply because it is not the same thing - map isn't the territory). That's okay.
But it seems like people will put faith into and actually believe the language they produce which explains the world in a fantastical way, unrelated to their basic senses and thought patterns.
My concern is that people will say "God is X" (for instance) and actually believe there is a thing out there "God." Not to say I'm only concerned with God-thoughts here...I'm not trying to be juvenile. Just any sort of mystical, non-normal language that just has a character to it which seems to imply the belief in the words themselves as the objects, rather than say, as fingers pointing to the moon.
Does that make sense?
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I am always surprised by how unscientific people can be about the so-called mystical. They'll spend years subjecting a new discovery to peer review before coming to any working conclusions, but feel they can be absolutely certain that telekinesis doesn't exist after watching the Amazing Randi debunk Uri Geller on TV.
It boggles the mind really.
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I am lost!
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