A couple of Barak's buddies

Sep 12, 2008 15:49

"Kill all rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." -- Bill Ayers, unrepentant terrorist, as well as friend, campaign supporter, and former boss of Barak Obama.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." -- Ayers, 2001.

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albadore September 12 2008, 21:33:11 UTC
Lazy, lazy. You're regurgitating Republican propaganda.
They were on an education reform board together...that doesn't make Ayers one of his inner circle.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-filesaug27,0,2234082.story
Unless you can point to better evidence than right wing propaganda campaigns, I ain't convincified.
Plus, I have to agree with Chris. Guilt by association? Pretty weak evidence there, counselor.

I'm not swallowing Obama (eep! perhaps I should rephrase that) as Savior of the World, but the Ayers thing smacks of typical Karl Rove smear shit. Or shitsmearing. Or whatever.

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evditchpig September 12 2008, 22:30:46 UTC
Lazy? Read the entire link you posted, and ask if working under Ayers (Ayers was Chairman of the Board -- Obama was a member of that board) and getting the start of his political career in Ayer's living room are in sync with the characterization given by Obama's own campaign describing their relationship in that same article.

But if the cognitive dissonance present there isn't sufficient, here's some citations.

1) As far as Obama's political career begining in Ayer's house, see "The Friends of Barak Obama, pt.1" PowerLineBlog.com, April 22, 2008; Ben Smith, "Obama Once Visited 60's Radicals," Politico.com, Feb 22, 2008; Joanna Weiss, "How Obama Became Radical News," Boston Globe, April 18, 2002; Maria Warren (certainly a "regurgitator" of Republican propaganda) in her Musings & Migraines blog, entitled "Get to Know Barak Obama," January 27, 2005 ( ... )

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evditchpig September 12 2008, 23:18:44 UTC
For # 3 the link isn't working if you try to access it directly. Go here instead: http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/obama-and-ayers.html

A pretty good summary, I think.

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albadore September 13 2008, 06:25:14 UTC
I'm still not convinced that we're not talking about guilt by association. Obama's association with Ayers in the 90s, even if he's trying to downplay it, doesn't make him a bomb-throwing yippie radical. Think about some of the douchebags you've worked at various jobs with over the years. I'm sure if you were running for office, somebody could make a spurious case that because you worked with one of them that it made you somehow dangerous by association. Now if somebody can come up with actual crimes commited by Obama, rather than by someone he knows, I'll be happy to eat my words. But so far, all I'm hearing is typical Rove stuff.

Left wing propaganda can be insidious too, I agree, but nobody can beat the Republicans at "pigfucking" tactics.

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evditchpig September 13 2008, 21:22:24 UTC
You're reading more into this than I'm saying, or even implying. Of course Obama isn't a bomb-thrower, terrorist, or whatever (although who could really know if he is a radical -- all politicians will cover up what they really think if it leads to the corridors of power ( ... )

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nohopenoharm September 15 2008, 06:34:30 UTC
Guilt by association has no part in this, that I can understand. Obama is what he is, and it scares the shit out of me that he may be president. His own books, written in his own words, should be enough to send anyone running from supporting him. How anyone can take him serious boggles my mind.

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