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Oct 03, 2007 12:43

Sex is a mutual collaborative effort.

Prostitution isn't, it is one person renting another's body.

Prostitution, by definition, is sex with someone who does not want to have sex with you.

Therefore prostitution is not sex, it is rape.

(Pornography, of course, is just prostitution on camera)

It is not perhaps as harmful as some other forms of rape, ( Read more... )

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dis_senter October 3 2007, 14:42:00 UTC
This is a great post, but I also have to disagree with a little bit of it:

It is not perhaps as harmful as some other forms of rape, but the basic feeling of wanting to have sex with someone who does not want to have sex with you is rape-thinking. It is a difference of degree, not kind.

Arguably, prostitution is even more harmful than other kinds of rape. After all, these are women who are being raped daily, and who have to deal with the physical and emotional trauma of this constantly.

Also, prostitutes are often expected to pretend to enjoy what they're doing, to get the man turned on, to make him feel all masculine and virile and special. (Yeah, really sick). So they're being raped, and made to act as if they like it.

But I also find it hard to draw distinctions with this kind of thing, to say one kind of violence is worse than another kind. Even minor acts of violence against women, e.g. being groped by a stranger, are part of a much larger network of intimidation and violence, meant to remind women that they have no right to bodily integrity, to spark the fear of rape, or to traumatically remind them of past acts of violence they've experienced.

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eskarne October 3 2007, 23:14:48 UTC
Yeah, I actually added a postscript in the anti_porn version of this to say that I wasn't so sure about that statement.

Keep in mind that I am for the most part talking about pornography - which is prostitution - and I suppose what I meant is - well, I have used porn and I have therefore contributed to the rape of the women in porn - but I haven't raped a woman in person, and I do see a difference in terms of what I did. Someone who has used porn (in ignorance) I think can be far more easily 'rehabilitated' than someone who has raped in person. I guess that's what I meant

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dis_senter October 4 2007, 04:02:58 UTC
Yes, I can see the difference there.

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_allecto_ October 4 2007, 12:31:45 UTC
Hmm... this is a quote from the Prostitution=Slavery article which seems pertinent.

The New York Times reported... that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) was diagnosed in 20 to 30 percent of the Vietnam vets, approximately half of whom suffer long term psychiatric problems. The article also reported that PTSD is found in less than 5 percent of the general population - but is found in two-thirds of prostituted women.

Prostitution is overwhelmingly more traumatic than war. That statistic really shocked me.

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_allecto_ October 4 2007, 12:35:48 UTC
Oh, in regards to using porn, well, I think that men use porn and women are abused by porn. Unless we are talking about lesbians using porn, in which case they are both using and being abused by porn at the same time. Which I guess is true of men too when it gets right done to it.

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dis_senter October 9 2007, 00:43:20 UTC
I think both men and women are used by porn. Porn takes advantage of the weakness, stupidity, poor self esteem/awareness and apathy in all viewers, regardless of sex. The only people who 'use' porn are the owners of the companies producing it. They use porn to line their pockets with the suffering of others.

I think that viewing men simply as 'users' of porn (meant in the sense of 'consumers') is a dangerous road to travel down. There are at least two good reasons for this:

a) It implies that the sexuality of men IS as it is depicted in porn, which furthermore infers a separatist mentality. Also implicit is that porn is therefore natural - or at least to be expected in any human society with audio-visual technology. This is an incredibly depressing view of life - and one which I do not think reflects reality. Remember too, that there is as much variation within each sex as there is between the sexes.

b) It tells only half the damaging story of porn, which reduces the strength of the case against it.

- Sean.

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eskarne October 10 2007, 07:06:12 UTC
agreed. I also need to see men as victims because it's the only way I'm able to converse with work-colleagues, etc

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