wow-venus conj asc! <3 --- the author has p-venus exactly conjunct saturn on the descendant + saturn opposing venus (off and on till around august)-- wanna trade? geez it hurts, my friend: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh (glad I could get that off my chest--the closest thing I have to a mate/partner/friend has severe disabilities-maybe that's the saturn--celebrated his birthday in an extended nursing care facility--not many 39 year olds there) actually he spent a lot of his 20's 30's with sun (and numerous other planets-stellinium in 10th) in the 12th--addiction--hospitals--prisons--schizophrenia---religion--and now has pluto on his asc! as does my mom! (wish someone would steal my empathy) But, 12 house = low profile, selfless, serving a higher purpose--can be a "spiritual" placement, depending on your priorities --neptune/pisces/12th---serve or suffer---saint/sinner--dissolving the boundaries of the ego--can take you to the zen center or bellevue--similar initiation... (must look at your whole chart and see how amenable you are to neptune/dissolving boundaries--could make it easier--or disastrous;)--oh I recall your moon t-square -- fascinating-- how does a virgo moon deal w/ the neptune and mars in pisces? which brings me back to saturn/venus for a 5th house pisces stellinium person equals: pain. but, I've always had saturn on my dsc., so nothing new (think about that fate--exactly opposed jupiter on asc too)...
I had progressed sun on my 12th house Saturn in Gemini at the same time as my saturn return, (this was in 2003-4 and I was in mental hospitals the whole time) so I feel your pain. :) I've had it up to -here- with everything 12th house. Saving grace for me is that my 12th house is disposited by a well-aspected Mercury in Taurus. I agree, the 12th house can deposit you a lot of different places, from the temple to the prison to the hospital to the morgue! Self-undoing. Unraveling the ego and letting go. And then of course apotheosis when the planet finally comes to the Ascendant--sunrise of the soul! My moon in virgo opp mars in pisces is the central hinge of my bipolar disorder. It's 3rd/9th houses, the mental axis. Moon in Virgo is my depression; Mars in Pisces is my mania. Neptune in the 5th provides the perfect pivot point: either drugs or god, depends on which one I'm into at the time. It correctly models what is an incredibly destructive inner mechanism of mine. Luckily my chart also models some very positive inner mechanisms which help me compensate and grow. :> Saturn-Venus in pisces is at least ameliorated by exaltation of venus... I'll take exaltation over rulership anyday. Like who wouldn't rather have moon in taurus versus moon in cancer?! I'm not sure if I could handle saturn on my desc... pluto on my IC makes me not able to deal well with other people trying to control me!
I think the most interesting minor detail of my chart is that the midpoint of my sun and moon is exactly conjunct my ascendant and the midpoint of my Asc and MC is exactly conjunct my sun. Weird! What's something odd going on in your chart? We should swap!
that is quite anomalous...but would think it signals some kind of primordial harmony or integration... Weird? (all scorpio moons are weird, especially those with it rising) but apart from that, I have a very "nice" chart---lots of water, lots of trines, jupiter and venus aspects...the mars in aries is really the blacksheep of the family--I'm asexual a lot of the time--but if it's "turned on"--I have a very strange filter (camera analogy;)...and people think they can push me around--but when they meet up with the mars in aries(scorpio too) their collective jaws drop... um, & uranus in the 12th --brought lots of interesting "experiences"--me & charlie m.--good company... oh and when david foster wallace killed himself, I looked up his chart--very similar to mine--cept VIRGO MOON--see footnotes--very interesting chart(mercury conj mars conj saturn in aquarius square neptune is a doozy-but also probably gave the ability/fortitude to give form to the ineffable)...I mean that vignette of the priest(& mario) in "infinite jest"--besides the parable of the good samaritan;)--that's one of the purest extracts of me I've encountered.
oh, and the midpoint of sun and venus=north node in pisces in the 5th (& vesta exactly conjunct venus in pisces in 5th)= erzulie? (I haven't been able to live out my 5th house to a sufficient extent=depression beyond category---but poverty will do that(see maslow)--pluto just moved out of my second house--now what, a massive car accident?)
jupiter's conjoining my mercury soon--hope my (mercury ruled) 4th, 8th and 11th houses are kind to me--that'll be a first! ;)
whoops again-it's ceres that's conjunct the north node looking at an asteroid chart--interesting, palla conj my mercury--pholu(?) and juro conjoin my sun--vesta conjoins my mc--wish I knew what this means;)
man, saturn in the 12th too? I'm glad you made it through or it made it through you;) (I'm a bit of a realist in certain matters, but it's hard not to believe that there is something to this "planetary fields" business--2003-4 sucked for you, huh? I learn more about astrology from studying other people, than I do from books--and christ, one just has to observe planets hitting angles(or angels) over the lifespan--if resulting data doesn't impress someone--they don't deserve the enlightenment!;)
speaking of books, a friend of mine, gave me a book by antero alli--he has an interesting approach to dealing with astrological "hardships"--basically "paradoxical therapy"(focus on the house opposing the one challenged)--if your 12th is getting hit--focus on daily routine-health/diet/exercise or work (though volunteer-type work always helps the empathic, though sometimes too absorbed in their own misery neptunians)--if my 7th is getting hit--I can counter the rejection from all of humanity by getting excessive amounts of cosmetic surgery;) Actually, I used to dwell on my self-presentation as a way to separate myself from the normopaths/rejection--it helped--looking like the alien that I am--but again, I'm too poor for such things--but focusing on defining my self, rather than not meeting others standards, helps, I guess, I wouldn't know...*crickets*
when you mentioned planets passing over the ascendant--I instantly thought of my adolescent years--adolescence is normally a turbulent time of change--can you imagine saturn and pluto on the asc ?(age 12/13--this really sealed the fate of the 7th house saturn--experienced inexplicable rejection, but at the same time, I realized I kinda "hated" those people anyway--lots of projection w/ th 7th house--I didn't speak for a year--pretty much stopped eating--was really horrible--but yeah, the pluto really changed my outer self--but I always felt like I was carrying around a weight much greater than most my age)...I just regret that there wasn't prozac, klonopin and the internet then...(though I'd never have got the drugs, cuz my mom didn't see anything wrong with me, doubt she saw me at all)
wow, you gave me a lot of food for thought--think a lot of my depression is derived from wounded idealism--rather than the depression-related: saturnine/plutonian worldview--though, I do kinda have a plutonian worldview, as one astrologer said, too much scorpio is like having a defective repressive mechanism--walking bs detector--walking scapegoat--just retrieved a great book called "the astrology of fate" by liz greene--man, you should read it! On that note, I can not give a high enough recommendation for Liz Greenes astrological charts (via astro.com)--I got mine in 1990 ordered from on ad in the back of an astro-mag--but really, they are like no other--more a jungian analysis using the astrological configurations as an x-ray or skeleton--You seem pretty perceptive re: your chart, it's just fascinating reading anothers narrative(and she does write like that-not like the lame/useless cookbook-style of computer generated charts)...btw, have you checked out astro.com's astrocartography charts(ie. "astro click travel")? wonder what you think--wonder if different places you've lived allowed you to express certain parts of your chart +/-...If you have a love of certain countries or an affinity for people from them...that could be due to astrocartagraphil(?) influences-- funny, Los Angeles/Hollywood for me(ie most of my life)=
Crossing Neptune/Moon's Nodes- The quality of this connection does not lend itself particularly well to worldly pursuits. Hopes and ideals are probably too high to meet anyone's expectation. If this is the case, there will be disappointments sooner or later. This especially applies to encounters made along this line to latitude. At first, they might appear in a favourable light but soon reality catches up. Promises are not kept, hopes dashed and in the worst case scenario, there can be intrigues and deceit. With all new contacts, do not become blinded by the apparent perfectness of conditions. Enjoy the romantic moments but guard against any concrete intentions and arrangements. The atmosphere of these places can be compared to the razzmatazz and glitter of Hollywood. Perfect conditions exist here for an escapade into the realm of fantasy and dreams. Artists, authors and actors know how to appreciate this creative inspiration. You could also meet some highly spiritually evolved individuals but it is still important to keep your feet on the ground.
well, Happy Ox! eat a moon pie and don't break any china
I have some astro links I think you'd like I'll try to pass em on, if I have time... If you work the "subjects" like you do me they have my sympathy;) but we're certainly willing
I'm the most responsive! (moon conj jupiter conj asc in scorpio--I mean that's why I'm meant to be a therapist & mambo :)
Oh! I think Pluto on the ascendant would be a good thing, overall. It'll never happen to me since I was born with it conjunct IC (and almost died at birth) but when it comes to the Asc, there can be an amazing rebirth depending on aspects to the asc and the dignity of the chart ruler. Of course being reborn can be somewhat terrifying since it usually involves dying.
would bobby like to comment?erzulie_eardrumJanuary 27 2009, 08:06:13 UTC
"he who is not busy being born..."
'cept the folks I spoke of, are very fragile, in terms of the preservation of their physical beings--no health insurance (for one) doesn't help.
But, you are right about the plutonian passage and seeing it in a greater context (amid a myriad of variables).
Pluto on the IC--my head is swirling with what ms. greene would say about your dad...not much good...but it helped you transform, right? :) (condolences--re: ma & pa)
(one more thing from an astro-whack-job: have you done "st_rangers" chart? have you done synastry/composite between you and "him"---erzulie's a gemini--if I start a new journal--I'm consulting some "wise-men")
(glad I could get that off my chest--the closest thing I have to a mate/partner/friend has severe disabilities-maybe that's the saturn--celebrated his birthday in an extended nursing care facility--not many 39 year olds there)
actually he spent a lot of his 20's 30's with sun (and numerous other planets-stellinium in 10th) in the 12th--addiction--hospitals--prisons--schizophrenia---religion--and now has pluto on his asc! as does my mom! (wish someone would steal my empathy)
But, 12 house = low profile, selfless, serving a higher purpose--can be a "spiritual" placement, depending on your priorities --neptune/pisces/12th---serve or suffer---saint/sinner--dissolving the boundaries of the ego--can take you to the zen center or bellevue--similar initiation...
(must look at your whole chart and see how amenable you are to neptune/dissolving boundaries--could make it easier--or disastrous;)--oh I recall your moon t-square --
fascinating-- how does a virgo moon deal w/ the neptune and mars in pisces?
which brings me back to saturn/venus for a 5th house pisces stellinium person equals: pain.
but, I've always had saturn on my dsc., so nothing new (think about that fate--exactly opposed jupiter on asc too)...
and YOU
wikimancy say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virginia_EP
(follows: "Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers"--another good portent?)
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make of that what you will
though, I asked the question;)
(clues)
"You've Done it Again, Virginia"
"Santa Clara"
"Blank Slate"
"Tall Saint"
"Without Permission"
"Forever After Days"
"Rest of Years"
"Slow Show"
"Lucky You"
"Mansion on the Hill"
"Fake Empire"
"About Today"
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Weird?
(all scorpio moons are weird, especially those with it rising)
but apart from that, I have a very "nice" chart---lots of water, lots of trines, jupiter and venus aspects...the mars in aries is really the blacksheep of the family--I'm asexual a lot of the time--but if it's "turned on"--I have a very strange filter (camera analogy;)...and people think they can push me around--but when they meet up with the mars in aries(scorpio too) their collective jaws drop...
um, & uranus in the 12th --brought lots of interesting "experiences"--me & charlie m.--good company...
oh and when david foster wallace killed himself, I looked up his chart--very similar to mine--cept VIRGO MOON--see footnotes--very interesting chart(mercury conj mars conj saturn in aquarius square neptune is a doozy-but also probably gave the ability/fortitude to give form to the ineffable)...I mean that vignette of the priest(& mario) in "infinite jest"--besides the parable of the good samaritan;)--that's one of the purest extracts of me I've encountered.
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(I haven't been able to live out my 5th house to a sufficient extent=depression beyond category---but poverty will do that(see maslow)--pluto just moved out of my second house--now what, a massive car accident?)
jupiter's conjoining my mercury soon--hope my (mercury ruled) 4th, 8th and 11th houses are kind to me--that'll be a first!
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looking at an asteroid chart--interesting, palla conj my mercury--pholu(?) and juro conjoin my sun--vesta conjoins my mc--wish I knew what this means;)
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I'm glad you made it through or it made it through you;)
(I'm a bit of a realist in certain matters, but it's hard not to believe that there is something to this "planetary fields" business--2003-4 sucked for you, huh? I learn more about astrology from studying other people, than I do from books--and christ, one just has to observe planets hitting angles(or angels) over the lifespan--if resulting data doesn't impress someone--they don't deserve the enlightenment!;)
speaking of books, a friend of mine, gave me a book by antero alli--he has an interesting approach to dealing with astrological "hardships"--basically "paradoxical therapy"(focus on the house opposing the one challenged)--if your 12th is getting hit--focus on daily routine-health/diet/exercise or work (though volunteer-type work always helps the empathic, though sometimes too absorbed in their own misery neptunians)--if my 7th is getting hit--I can counter the rejection from all of humanity by getting excessive amounts of cosmetic surgery;) Actually, I used to dwell on my self-presentation as a way to separate myself from the normopaths/rejection--it helped--looking like the alien that I am--but again, I'm too poor for such things--but focusing on defining my self, rather than not meeting others standards, helps, I guess, I wouldn't know...*crickets*
when you mentioned planets passing over the ascendant--I instantly thought of my adolescent years--adolescence is normally a turbulent time of change--can you imagine saturn and pluto on the asc ?(age 12/13--this really sealed the fate of the 7th house saturn--experienced inexplicable rejection, but at the same time, I realized I kinda "hated" those people anyway--lots of projection w/ th 7th house--I didn't speak for a year--pretty much stopped eating--was really horrible--but yeah, the pluto really changed my outer self--but I always felt like I was carrying around a weight much greater than most my age)...I just regret that there wasn't prozac, klonopin and the internet then...(though I'd never have got the drugs, cuz my mom didn't see anything wrong with me, doubt she saw me at all)
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funny, Los Angeles/Hollywood for me(ie most of my life)=
Crossing Neptune/Moon's Nodes-
The quality of this connection does not lend itself particularly well to worldly pursuits. Hopes and ideals are probably too high to meet anyone's expectation. If this is the case, there will be disappointments sooner or later. This especially applies to encounters made along this line to latitude. At first, they might appear in a favourable light but soon reality catches up.
Promises are not kept, hopes dashed and in the worst case scenario, there can be intrigues and deceit. With all new contacts, do not become blinded by the apparent perfectness of conditions. Enjoy the romantic moments but guard against any concrete intentions and arrangements.
The atmosphere of these places can be compared to the razzmatazz and glitter of Hollywood. Perfect conditions exist here for an escapade into the realm of fantasy and dreams. Artists, authors and actors know how to appreciate this creative inspiration. You could also meet some highly spiritually evolved individuals but it is still important to keep your feet on the ground.
well, Happy Ox!
eat a moon pie and don't break any china
I have some astro links I think you'd like
I'll try to pass em on, if I have time...
If you work the "subjects" like you do me
they have my sympathy;)
but we're certainly willing
I'm the most responsive! (moon conj jupiter conj asc in scorpio--I mean that's why I'm meant to be a therapist & mambo :)
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'cept the folks I spoke of, are very fragile, in terms of the preservation of their physical beings--no health insurance (for one) doesn't help.
But, you are right about the plutonian passage and seeing it in a greater context (amid a myriad of variables).
Pluto on the IC--my head is swirling with what ms. greene would say about your dad...not much good...but it helped you transform, right? :)
(condolences--re: ma & pa)
(one more thing from an astro-whack-job: have you done "st_rangers" chart? have you done synastry/composite between you and "him"---erzulie's a gemini--if I start a new journal--I'm consulting some "wise-men")
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