Giving multiculturalism a bad name

[erudito]

So, the Gillard Government, starting with the PM herself, is already distancing itself from a taxpayer-funded study which claimed that celebrating the centenary of ANZAC could be divisive. This shows that the Gillard Government is not suicidally stupid

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[cutelildrow]

I don't understand why he's so desperate to read it. I mean he panned it entirely based on the blurb - which is no different from any blurb you'd see on the backs of any novel you pick up - and then constantly insist on discussing it with jordan179 *while* constantly insisting he isn't inclined at all to read it, and puts it down nonstop - from a blurb description.. Why is he trying to make it as if he's forced to read it? Frankly, we don't want him to read it, out of the entire planet of people we'd like to invite to read our stories, yours, or Aff's, or mine. He's pissed off that Aff kicked him from the forums and he can't see it because he keeps getting redirected to a ban page, because guess what? Aff actually cares about his site security, and the users' privacy - which, all the rage on privacy and security going on the internet, is a valid concern.

It also seems to escape yama entirely that someone who wants to access a website through a proxy is seen as fundamentally untrustworthy. By his declaration that he wants to surf Aff's site unrecognized, one must wonder what ill intent he has upon the site and it's users - users among whom are counted people he already decided are his objects of hatred. A sane person and an innocent would simply avoid the places or people which he hates, or have shown not to like him - or refuse to read content which he doesn't like, like say, our host's blog, or my blog, or your blog, or Jordan's blog, or Aff's site. In typical stalker fashion however, yama instead deliberately seeks them out.

Nobody follows that which he hates unless he intends to do it harm in some fashion, and I think the very fact that yama constantly follows us around on the Internet - despite the fact we have clearly made it known to him that his opinions and presence are not welcome by the reality we have BANNED him - illustrates that he means us harm. It may not be physical, it might be purely digital, but he means us no good and wishes at the very least, to harrass everyone from the moment he appeared on jordan179's blog almost more than two years ago.

This is not the behavior of a person who means anyone well.

We already know from his statements he is likely to hate anything coming from us for a variety of reasons, one of which is because Aff is Australian (and yama ignoring the fact that our poor host, erudito is Australian himself), he hates my stuff because I'm Filipino and because he hates my political POVs, and the latter is the same reason why he would automatically decry any of your work.

Don't like it? Don't read it. Clearly that intelligent concept is beyond the reach of yama's lonely half-neuron, as we are from reaching the edge of the ever-expanding universe. I do not respond to yama because I consider him persona non-grata - and unworthy of my time to respond to. This has been literally a policy of more than a year - yet note how he persistently follows me around in any other person's blog, responding to me when I've long ago made it clear I have no wish to talk to someone as vile and as worthless as he, who spends his time stalking women who want nothing to do with him across the Internet, threatening my children, and threatening other people with supposed 'friendly warnings' to get out of his way and to get what he wants. He has made it a point to harrass people who I consider friends and whose blogs I follow - which is why he even is here on poor Erudito's blog! Why else would a known racist like yama, who stated that he considered Australians worthless, pester an Australian blogger?

Yama can protest his innocence all he wants, but by his actions we've long known him to be what he is - a pathetic, attention hungry, desperately unloved person who has no life except for the sheer amount of time he spends following around the people he hates, and howling into the sea of information that he hates them and he doesn't care about them... while following them around as if he were attached to a goldfish's ass and he were the fish' excreta.

[yamamanama]

1. I don't trust Aff enough.
2. Your politics and your schadenfreude over the death of Rachel Corrie and your callousness over the death of a 9 year old Tajik girl because you're not in Russia and she was a Muslim anyway are the reason I find you repulsive, not your Filipinoness.
3. You're the racist, you FUCK!
4. "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" is not a threat, it's a reminder that you might end up with more than you bargained for in a world where killing 9 year old Tajik girls is acceptable, or at least tolerated. You know Australia's infested with skinheads and somehow I don't think they're willing to overlook ethnicity because they share a common enemy with you.

[jordan179]

(1) - Note that Aff is not stalking you. He would ignore your existence completely if you weren't obsessively trying to get onto his blog, where you are not wanted by the owner of the blog.

(2) - We don't care about Rachel Corrie because she signed onto an evil cause (probably imagining it to be a good cause, but people should research these things before they put their lives on the line) and then stupidly sat down in front of a BUTTONED-UP MILITARY BULLDOZER which was demolishing a house, thus getting herself killed (amusingly, not crushed by the bulldozer, but killed by falling rubble from the house). This is sort of like someone demonstrating in favor of the Nazi regime in 1943 and flinging themselves in front of a Sherman tank expecting it to stop on a dime.

(3) - Aside from the trivial logical point that there is no law of Nature mandating only one party to a conversation can be a "racist," I've noticed over the years that you are much more likely to condemn whole cultures, ethnic groups and races wholesale because you don't like a particular person or group of people from these groups than is Rory. Also, crying "you FUCK!" doesn't make your point any more true. It just makes you look like a petulant teenager.

(4) - I don't even remember nor have I ever heard of this "Tajik girl" save from you mentioning her. I'm not sure why you believe that Rory thinks killing 9-year-old girls is ok, unless of course she died accidentally in the course of legitimate and justified military operations, in which case her death is sad, but hardly a war crime. I'm also not sure how you imagine a war could be prosecuted without the occasional death of civilians, and I note that you don't give a damn how many civilians die, even if they were targeted by their killers, as long as the killers are a group of which you approve or their victims a group of which you disapprove.

You know Australia's infested with skinheads ...

Oh, really?

... and somehow I don't think they're willing to overlook ethnicity because they share a common enemy with you..

Somehow, I don't think Rory cares what Austrlian skinheads think of her, any more than I care what American racists think of me> My policy is "They can think what they like; if they take it to insults I will insult them back; if they take it to violence I will fight back and try to make them very sorry they attacked me.

This is the way self-confident, brave people think. You should try it some time, maybe you'd be less of a creep if you did.

[yamamanama]

Oh, puh-leese with the Nazi comparisons. I know you're only comparing the Palestinians to the Nazis because you don't like them. If anything, they're more like the Poles, because the Poles were the ones occupied by a militaristic quasi-theocratic state.

Drow, on a 9 year old Tajik girl brutally murdered by skinhead filth: Seeing as I am not Muslim... this is not a concern for me and mine.

Remember when Drow said anyone who wasn't Asian or white lacked brains, value for education, and value for hard work? Of course you do, even if you don't remember it too well, since you wrote a pretty impassioned defense of it by saying Drow also said some Asians were brainless and had no respect for hard work and education?
Yeah, I know she hates Indonesians and Malaysians too. White supremacists have no love for Slavic people, I guess that means they're not racist either.

[jordan179]

Oh, puh-leese with the Nazi comparisons. I know you're only comparing the Palestinians to the Nazis because you don't like them.

The Palestinians are anti-Semites whose official leadership actually allied with the German Nazis during World War II, and who still officially admire the Nazis. That's right, Yama, the group you sympathize with is one of the survivals of the WWII Axis.

If anything, they're more like the Poles, because the Poles were the ones occupied by a militaristic quasi-theocratic state.

Actually, the analogy with the Nazis continues here: after defeat in World War II the Germans were occupied by the Allies and Soviets. Israel is a liberal democracy, like the Western Allies, not a "quasi-theocratic" state.

The analogy ends here, because the West Germans (the ones fortunate enough to be occupied by liberal democracies) were sane enough to realize that they had been defeated and that they had to appease their conquerors and focus on building up something new and good rather than carying on the fight for something old and evil if they wanted a happy future. By contrast, the Palestinian Arabs are engaged in a hopeless quest to regain something they NEVER HAD (political independence), which will inevitably lead either to their expulsion by Israel or their subordination to other victorious Arab groups.

Drow, on a 9 year old Tajik girl brutally murdered by skinhead filth: Seeing as I am not Muslim... this is not a concern for me and mine.

I have absolutely no idea about what you are talking: I have never seen the original exchange, and I do not trust your precis of it.

Remember when Drow said anyone who wasn't Asian or white lacked brains, value for education, and value for hard work?

No, because that is neither what she said, nor what she believes. I read her original statements there, and you are seriously (and I would guess intentionally) misquoting her.

I do remember when you claimed that neither Australia, nor France nor Germany had any culture worth admiring, because you said it right on this thread. In almost exactly those words.

[yamamanama]

Germany should never have existed; the 20th century is proof of that.

[jordan179]

There is nothing inherent about Germany qua Germany, either as a nation or a state, which rendered the World Wars inevitable. Note too that from the whole period after 1945, the impact of Germany on the rest of the world was almost wholly positive.

Indeed, had Napoleon III been more competent, or Wilhelm II's older brother lived, our view of Germany as a nation might have far more to do with brilliant scientists, erudite scholars, skilled engineeers, life-saving doctors and titanic industrialists than with goose-stepping storm troopers. Heck, even after World War One, had Germany found saner leadership (quite possible, as Hitler was a rather random-event dependent person), we might today be praising the role Germany played in holding back the expansionist designs of the monster Stalin and saving Western Europe, rather than blaming her for shattering the Peace of Versailles.