the pointman

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i should be asleep, but instead, i am now wondering (thanks mostly to ciudad) about the working dynamics of the cobb/mal/arthur pre-movie relationship. because clearly there was a little something something going on (shut up, it is clear. in my head, anyway) and i mean, it would be awesome to read about how arthur got involved (again, i am looking at ciudad :D

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oh man, okay, idk, i feel like they started with fascination/adoration, like the punch-drunk feeling during the first few months/years/however-long-it-takes-for-the-honeymoon-glow-to-wear-off, and i do think mal was, if not completely normal, then at least under control while they were together in reality. it's not like we're given reason to believe she was a terrible mother, but i think what really drew cobb to her was the fact that they both loved to build.

like you said, she's terrifyingly psychotic in his subconscious, but all that could also just be how he feels about himself - all that anger and hatred is really directed inward. though i suppose the fact that he think his wife could feel that way about him is pretty telling of her temper, heh.

but yeah, i mean, i'm not going to argue that the woman is BATSHIT CRAZY. and that she definitely started out that way, with or without inception, to some degree. although like i said that could just be born of fanaticism, because of the whole love for creation. i mean, dom says he didn't know that you could go so deep that minutes become years, decades, and i mean the one thing i believe throughout the film is that cobb tries to be the best parent he can. they're hooked up to the pasiv, though, and they can't have set it for long - maybe 30 minutes? - so i guess the kids weren't really a problem at first, and then as the years went by, and the reality/dreamworld lines blurred, things got even more complicated. because they didn't know about limbo - what it would be like, or what they would find, or the timeline they would have there, so--you know. i can't hold that one against him.

(i get what you're saying about the adoration stuff, though. in my mind there is no way their marriage survived 50 years in limbo--although i've already talked about this in my post.)

anyhow! no i don't think the children are in limbo with them, but i think there's enough wiggle room with what we're given to assume that you can create people as well as buildings in limbo. at least, those are the parameters i - and most of the fandom, i suspect - work with.

and protegee-arthur just makes me smile, okay. i love him. although--honestly, i love him in any incarnation. :D

(FEEL FREE TO KEEP WRITING. you know how i feel about comments and length - hint: POSITIVE.)

(hee! gaga at ktv, oh man. \o/ and OMG TOM HARDY ALWAYS MAKES ME GIGGLE IN THIS GIF. i am curious to see how he pulls off a character like heathcliff, actually. he has so much effortless charm i'd like to see him work the dark and twisted side a little bit.)

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there's enough wiggle room with what we're given to assume that you can create people as well as buildings in limbo - yesyes, I meant, did Dom and Mal create images of their kids when they were down there, consciously or unconsciously (as opposed to being down there for 50 years creating willy nilly and with nary a thought of the little ones)? When Cobb and Ari land in limbo in the movie, they see the image of the kids - was it created from that former time, or did Cobb bring that image with him and Ari? (I think I need to watch the movie again!)

I hear you about the 50 years in limbo part - though I'd imagine time passes strangely there, and you wouldn't experience the passage of time in the same way. And I agree - and the breakdown of that marriage is, actually, part of the canon. If you have a marriage where one party is so obsessed with the other and mired in a way of life that she doesn't want to leave, and the other becomes so desperate that he decides to invade her mind (in order to save her) and make her, it's hardly a happy/healthy love story - and that would have happened over years, possibly decades; a substantial chunk of their limbo time.

There should always be Gaga at KTV! Tom Hardy seems entirely charming and charmingly free of, er, propriety sometimes (I am not sure I need to see this much of his pubic hair!), but I find he fascinates me also and I can't look away.

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they must have created images of their children while they were down there, i think. i'm not sure why i assume this, but i do. i just assume, i guess, from the memory in dom's subconscious of mal and the kids at the beach. i think she's wearing the same dress as the one she wore while she was building sandcastles with him after they washed up on limbo.

idk about the passage of time in limbo, though. i assumed you'd feel it pass the same way, only it's a lot longer than what's going on in the real world? i have no idea. but yes, anyone who decides that the best way to solve a problem is to perform inception on his own spouse instead of having an open dialogue cannot have the healthiest relationship with said spouse. SO.

and also i don't think tom hardy could ever NOT make me giggle. plus he's adorable! and he says he has low self-esteem! idek, he makes me want to pet him and feed him soup.

...and then possibly slink around in his lap for a little fun. ahem.