Sunday.We picked up the ketubah. It's magnificent - more beautiful than I'd hoped to imagine. Nav was just about speechless. The artist put a picture up on her web site, but I'm not going to link to it just yet - after the wedding
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Re: are you sayingverin_the_brownOctober 3 2005, 19:29:24 UTC
are you saying that having a baby is easier than planning a wedding?
Yep. I'm not being sarcastic. I guess it's tempting to compare them because they both take a long time and culminate in a big life changeing event.
I don't mean the birth. The birth is harder than anything to do with the wedding. I mean more up to the birth vs. up to the wedding. For the wedding, you have to potentially take more classes, contract with more people, plan more things. And at the birth, it's easier to keep the relatives at bay.
Re: are you sayingenochs_fableOctober 3 2005, 19:44:48 UTC
Eh. It's all just planning a big party. Yeah, lots of minutia, but I'm not so sure that planning for post-baby isn't harder. What do we need? What do we need to know?
I know our friend A is worried about dealing with parents around the birth. That's why she has enlisted friends as bouncers.
Re: are you sayingverin_the_brownOctober 3 2005, 20:12:20 UTC
but I'm not so sure that planning for post-baby isn't harder. What do we need? What do we need to know?
Not if you're a slacker like us. :)
I know our friend A is worried about dealing with parents around the birth.
Not actually at the birth, I hope, but wanting to invade them after they get home?
That's why she has enlisted friends as bouncers.
Speaking of A, how far along is she? Is there anything I can bring with me to give to her? Books? Or has she pretty much figured everything out for herself by now?
Re: are you sayingverin_the_brownOctober 5 2005, 19:51:39 UTC
possibly at the birth
Grr, argh. She should put her foot down. I mean the hospital or birthing center certainly won't let anyone is if she says not to. Even in busybody families, I've never heard of expecting to be able to attend a birth. I mean, you don't ask to attend someone's surgery, or pap smear.
Re: are you sayingkickindancerOctober 5 2005, 19:59:10 UTC
Im with you on this one. If she says that her parents or whoever ARE allowed in, then she'll have to deal with them. But if not, Im sure the birth center would prevent their entry.
Re: are you sayingenochs_fableOctober 5 2005, 20:08:33 UTC
Oh, I'm sure she'll make it clear who's allowed in or not. It's more the emotional work of having to set those boundaries (politely declining "help" she doesn't want) -- and deal with the fallout afterwards, if there is any. I'm sure she'll be fine. Unfortunately a birth is a culturally significant moment, and I've heard all sorts of stories about videotaping and busybody inlaws and what not.
Re: are you sayingverin_the_brownOctober 5 2005, 20:14:42 UTC
I'm sure she'll make it clear who's allowed in or not. It's more the emotional work of having to set those boundaries (politely declining "help" she doesn't want) -- and deal with the fallout afterwards, if there is any.
Yeah, it just pisses me off that she would have to do that emotional work. No one has any business even mentioning such a thing. I'm just sort of taken aback.
I've heard all sorts of stories about videotaping and busybody inlaws and what not.
Conveniently, I haven't. I just thought it was standard social norm that no one comes but the mother and father or coach, and even INVITING anyone else, such as siblings, is sort of new age and weird. I probably would have invited my mother, if she lived near, because I think she would have liked it, but she would never have asked.
Re: are you sayingkickindancerOctober 3 2005, 22:17:11 UTC
woops, didn't read enochs' posts. that's the woman I was talking about.
Anyway, I'd be pretty upset at the lax security measures of a place that allowed anyone unauthorized to come barging in while I was giving birth. I don't care what Im yelling at the time.
Meanwhile, MGH has a special emergency code: Code Pink. It's for infant abduction. I don't know how often that happens, but apparently it's a risk, since there's a built in measure for it.
Re: are you sayingverin_the_brownOctober 5 2005, 20:01:20 UTC
Argh, never mind, how did I miss that?
Meanwhile, MGH has a special emergency code: Code Pink. It's for infant abduction. I don't know how often that happens, but apparently it's a risk, since there's a built in measure for it.
Hmm, I bet it doesn't happen anymore. They take the security pretty seriously these days. Our hospital was like Fort Knox. Our baby wore little electronic leg bracelets so we couldn't take him out without alarms going off. And they even give the father a wristband that he needs in order to get back in.
Re: are you sayingkickindancerOctober 3 2005, 22:14:26 UTC
Yes, that makes sense.
Enochs has a friend who is pregnant, and she is SURE that her parents will be beating down the doors to the delivery room when she is in labor. Im pretty sure that hospital/birth center security would control for that though.
Do you feel slowly ratcheting tension? Is there tension beyong the never ending to-do list? I tell ya, having a baby is much easier.
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Yep. I'm not being sarcastic. I guess it's tempting to compare them because they both take a long time and culminate in a big life changeing event.
I don't mean the birth. The birth is harder than anything to do with the wedding. I mean more up to the birth vs. up to the wedding. For the wedding, you have to potentially take more classes, contract with more people, plan more things. And at the birth, it's easier to keep the relatives at bay.
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I know our friend A is worried about dealing with parents around the birth. That's why she has enlisted friends as bouncers.
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but I'm not so sure that planning for post-baby isn't harder. What do we need? What do we need to know?
Not if you're a slacker like us. :)
I know our friend A is worried about dealing with parents around the birth.
Not actually at the birth, I hope, but wanting to invade them after they get home?
That's why she has enlisted friends as bouncers.
Speaking of A, how far along is she? Is there anything I can bring with me to give to her? Books? Or has she pretty much figured everything out for herself by now?
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She'll be... ah... near six months, due end of December. I think she's all set, but I'm sure she'd love to meet you.
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possibly at the birth
Grr, argh. She should put her foot down. I mean the hospital or birthing center certainly won't let anyone is if she says not to. Even in busybody families, I've never heard of expecting to be able to attend a birth. I mean, you don't ask to attend someone's surgery, or pap smear.
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I'm sure she'll make it clear who's allowed in or not. It's more the emotional work of having to set those boundaries (politely declining "help" she doesn't want) -- and deal with the fallout afterwards, if there is any.
Yeah, it just pisses me off that she would have to do that emotional work. No one has any business even mentioning such a thing. I'm just sort of taken aback.
I've heard all sorts of stories about videotaping and busybody inlaws and what not.
Conveniently, I haven't. I just thought it was standard social norm that no one comes but the mother and father or coach, and even INVITING anyone else, such as siblings, is sort of new age and weird. I probably would have invited my mother, if she lived near, because I think she would have liked it, but she would never have asked.
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Anyway, I'd be pretty upset at the lax security measures of a place that allowed anyone unauthorized to come barging in while I was giving birth. I don't care what Im yelling at the time.
Meanwhile, MGH has a special emergency code: Code Pink. It's for infant abduction. I don't know how often that happens, but apparently it's a risk, since there's a built in measure for it.
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Meanwhile, MGH has a special emergency code: Code Pink. It's for infant abduction. I don't know how often that happens, but apparently it's a risk, since there's a built in measure for it.
Hmm, I bet it doesn't happen anymore. They take the security pretty seriously these days. Our hospital was like Fort Knox. Our baby wore little electronic leg bracelets so we couldn't take him out without alarms going off. And they even give the father a wristband that he needs in order to get back in.
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Enochs has a friend who is pregnant, and she is SURE that her parents will be beating down the doors to the delivery room when she is in labor. Im pretty sure that hospital/birth center security would control for that though.
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