We have snow! Snowballing and snowman building-type snow. It'll probably be gone tomorrow, but we made the most of it by staying up late and playing in it
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Excellent fic. I'm a member of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade (a TWoP inside joke), but damn, this just makes me want to read a fic where John totally gets his ass kicked for being such a miserable sonofabitch.
Don't mind my grumbling, because I think any story that can make me have such a visceral response to a character I love is an awesome example of writing and chacterization.
Still, I'd love to see more fics where Sammy Wins! If John truly did act the way he did in this fic all the time, Sam would have been just as broken-spirited as Dean. Sam never would have had the guts to make the break and head to Stanford.
This fic kind of makes me glad that John went to hell for a while. Maybe while there, he had to suffer all the bad things he did to his boys.
What, I mean that in the nicest way possible. That's why John was so awesome and smiling in All Hell Breaks Loose 2; he'd learned his lesson ;)
I do like the way you portrayed Jim, even if I kept internally screaming "WUSSY!" John would have done just as you, and Jim, said--run for the hills at any kind of real intervention or criticism.
Again, excellent job. Although I still want to see John lose once in a while, and maybe get shot in the ass with rock salt.
Last, but not least, this was my favorite part.
"Jim knows Sam will. He’s a smart kid, and it won’t be long before he figures out John’s tactics for keeping him in line. Sam’s not like Dean, he doesn’t believe the sun rises and sets by John Winchester’s command. He’s not going to just toe the line and accept it the way that Dean does."
Thank you. You have to understand, I love John, adore him utterly, and I weep that we seem to have no chance of JDM returning to do flashback episodes. But I don't think he was a saint, or even a perfect father. He's been badly damaged by Mary's death, and he holds on to those two boys like a lifeline. He loves them desperately, but he's obsessed with catching Mary's killer, and I think that sometimes that obsession may clouded his judgement.
I've been reading JDM's take on how he played John, and he talks about playing him with a lot more going on in his head than anyone ever realises. So, this fic paints him as a hardass, but he's terrified that Dean and Sam might have been lifted by Child Protection Services if it had been found out they were on their own.
I think Sam probably did win quite a few of the battles with his father, as Jim realises here, he's not like Dean, he's not going to take everything John says as gospel.
Poor Jim is caught between a rock and a hard place, if he does criticize John openly, he knows John will take the boys and go, and Jim might never see them again. In my imagination, that's happened a few times, and Jim's learned to take the softly softly approach.
Your welcome, and I do agree with you that Sam had to win quite a few battles with his father. As to the victory you described in this fic, I think John maybe relied on pyrrhic victories a little too much.
I know I haven't read all the Wee!chester fics out there, but it seems nearly all I've read show John "winning" in situations with his boys. I can't remember a fic I recently read, and A Very Supernatural Christmas totally Kripked the premise, but it had a toddler Sam winning against a very wornout John. Sammy knew at three years old that salt repelled demons, and I won't give away any more details. Dean was pretty awesome in it, too. Let's just say summer camp was an interesting experience for all involved. Heck, John tried to be a good daddy in this one.
I was really moved by reading this fic. I felt so much sympathy for Jim, Sam, and Dean. I even understand John's fear, but damn, that behavior infuriated me. Gee, neglect your kids by leaving them all by themselves, and then punish the kids for getting into mischief. You don't know how much I just want Sam to get even with John for treating Dean that way.
I, too, love John, bat rastard that he is. The man loved his sons enough to admit his mistakes and to sacrifice his life and soul for his boy.
I just want to kick him in the shins and when his back is turned, shoot him in the ass with rock salt. Wait, I said that already, didn't I?
Thanks for writing this, I do read almost everything you write, and I did friend you so I wouldn't miss any of your fics.
Don't mind my grumbling, because I think any story that can make me have such a visceral response to a character I love is an awesome example of writing and chacterization.
Still, I'd love to see more fics where Sammy Wins! If John truly did act the way he did in this fic all the time, Sam would have been just as broken-spirited as Dean. Sam never would have had the guts to make the break and head to Stanford.
This fic kind of makes me glad that John went to hell for a while. Maybe while there, he had to suffer all the bad things he did to his boys.
What, I mean that in the nicest way possible. That's why John was so awesome and smiling in All Hell Breaks Loose 2; he'd learned his lesson ;)
I do like the way you portrayed Jim, even if I kept internally screaming "WUSSY!" John would have done just as you, and Jim, said--run for the hills at any kind of real intervention or criticism.
Again, excellent job. Although I still want to see John lose once in a while, and maybe get shot in the ass with rock salt.
Last, but not least, this was my favorite part.
"Jim knows Sam will. He’s a smart kid, and it won’t be long before he figures out John’s tactics for keeping him in line. Sam’s not like Dean, he doesn’t believe the sun rises and sets by John Winchester’s command. He’s not going to just toe the line and accept it the way that Dean does."
Amen to that!
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I've been reading JDM's take on how he played John, and he talks about playing him with a lot more going on in his head than anyone ever realises. So, this fic paints him as a hardass, but he's terrified that Dean and Sam might have been lifted by Child Protection Services if it had been found out they were on their own.
I think Sam probably did win quite a few of the battles with his father, as Jim realises here, he's not like Dean, he's not going to take everything John says as gospel.
Poor Jim is caught between a rock and a hard place, if he does criticize John openly, he knows John will take the boys and go, and Jim might never see them again. In my imagination, that's happened a few times, and Jim's learned to take the softly softly approach.
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I know I haven't read all the Wee!chester fics out there, but it seems nearly all I've read show John "winning" in situations with his boys. I can't remember a fic I recently read, and A Very Supernatural Christmas totally Kripked the premise, but it had a toddler Sam winning against a very wornout John. Sammy knew at three years old that salt repelled demons, and I won't give away any more details. Dean was pretty awesome in it, too. Let's just say summer camp was an interesting experience for all involved. Heck, John tried to be a good daddy in this one.
I was really moved by reading this fic. I felt so much sympathy for Jim, Sam, and Dean. I even understand John's fear, but damn, that behavior infuriated me. Gee, neglect your kids by leaving them all by themselves, and then punish the kids for getting into mischief. You don't know how much I just want Sam to get even with John for treating Dean that way.
I, too, love John, bat rastard that he is. The man loved his sons enough to admit his mistakes and to sacrifice his life and soul for his boy.
I just want to kick him in the shins and when his back is turned, shoot him in the ass with rock salt. Wait, I said that already, didn't I?
Thanks for writing this, I do read almost everything you write, and I did friend you so I wouldn't miss any of your fics.
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