Headcanon Comparison Times
Let's move headcanon/hetalia!speculation here! That way anybody who's hanging around can play too.
Ok, so when do nation-tans come into existence? When do they die? How and why? What IS sara_rojo's Europe headcanon? Ready... set... go!
Ok, so when do nation-tans come into existence? When do they die? How and why? What IS sara_rojo's Europe headcanon? Ready... set... go!
Headcanon: Let's see. Ok, this isn't stuff I use every time for every fic, but...
1) Germany is a total pain slut.
2) ...so is England, but he won't ask for it.
3) During old school battles and treaties, the nations used to fuck each other senseless as part of a "take that, bitch" routine; over the past few centuries, sex for them has started being less about politics, and more about what feels good (corresponding to a similar change in human morality)
4) Nations start existing when people start to think of themselves as a unified country; so (and I know I'm diverging from the canon a little here) America came into existence sometime during the eighteenth century, when the settlers there started thinking of themselves as something other than English, even though he didn't have sovereignty for much longer than that.
5) Prussia gets a new bird that looks JUST LIKE GILBIRD whenever the old one dies, so he'll never be alone ; ;
So there's a start! Your turn <3.
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1. Italy was lying through his teeth about being a virgin. He's very sexually experienced and very good at what he does.
Um...
2. Gilbird lives forever so Prussia doesn't have to be alone, even while searching for a new bird. (I'm also pondering the idea that Gilbird is related to France's birds...)
3. Rather than dying, nations just disappear. There's not a body to find, I mean.
4. This is so close to canon that it hardly counts, but Germany is the Holy Roman Empire. (I say that it's nearly canon because of the Valentine's strips.)
Um, hmmm... I want to write as many as you did, but... Hmm.
5. All nations are pansexual, just like me~! (Because then I'm in even cooler company than Captain Jack Harkness, Captain Jack Sparrow, etc.)
There. Was that suitably uninhibited? I'm not very good with this head canon thing quite yet...
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"Italy was lying through his teeth about being a virgin. He's very sexually experienced and very good at what he does."
Hmm. I can go either way about this. On the one hand, I like Italy as being both Wee! So Happy! and also sexually experienced/liberated, because I feel like, I don't know, sex shouldn't be such Serious Business all the time, right? But on the other hand, I don't see Italy as being old enough to be interested in sex until the 19th century (there's number 6!) when his monarchs started wanting to unify him. I feel like Naples and Sardinia and Tuscany and all them took care of the grown-up stuff for him for a long time. So depending on when in his history you're talking about (and I don't actually remember when he said that), I could see it being true (particularly if we're talking WWI-era).
"Rather than dying, nations just disappear. There's not a body to find, I mean."
I'm with you (although I'm also trying to figure out whether I agree with chibi_spork about nations' bodies dying by accident all the time, and them coming back in a new body going "well shit, that didn't turn out well." On the one hand, hilarious and practical. On the other hand... I'm not quite sure what the other hand is, but is has to do with A) wanting nations' bodies to be connected to their land / their people / their people's political situation on some level and B) wanting nations to have non-human bodies, for less noble reasons.)
"All nations are pansexual"
I'm working on this one! There's always this disconnect between nations-as-nations and nations-as-people, right? It haunts the whole fandom. So like, can Japan and China be fighting, but Kiku and Yao still like each other? Can Prussia be all buddy-buddy with Germany, but sitll be straight? I like the idea that nations-as-nations don't have gender-preferences, but on some level I want nations-as-people to have them, because it opens up a whole world of "I want you but I don't want your cock," and "I need your help but I really can't deal with pussy," which is such a compelling plot device that I'm not sure I can just give it up... Maybe it's just that *I* have sexuality issues that I want to work out in my fandom... who knows!
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I'm talking about during WWI/WWII, for the most part. I never said that I didn't think Italy had to be either Whee! Happy! or sexually experienced. Quite to the contrary. I totally agree that sex isn't the Serious Business that it's often portrayed to be. It can just be fun or even silly. I mean, falling off the bed is hilarious.
On to your next response... For reason A, I like the nations' bodies to be immortal. It's hard to explain my exact thoughts, but I'm partial to the idea of their bodies being firmly linked to their lands, people, economy, etc. I sometimes wonder what effect their physical interactions have. For instance, (to use a pairing I like a lot) if Italy kisses Germany on the cheek and Germany blushes, does that have an effect on the physical location of Germany, or its people, or its economy? Does Italy kiss Germany because of some change in its land, people, economy? Or are the personal actions of a nation separate from the official actions?
This goes into your next comment, I think. I want to have a bit of distinction between (to use your example) Yao and China, Kiku and Japan, etc. It's entirely for selfish reasons. I also want all nations to be pansexual for a totally selfish reason: I'm pansexual.
However, I have to say that it makes sense to me. I don't see whether their apparent genders are really significant in any way, you know? Also, I am utterly baffled by your thought process regarding attraction, etc. I think it may be because I'm pansexual, but I just don't get it. People can be buddy-buddy with folks of a gender that they can be attracted to, for one thing, and, for another, being attracted to one gender doesn't mean you're attracted to everyone of that gender, right? By the same token, I know that I'm not attracted to every human I see; having the nations be pansexual doesn't change that sort of tension, exactly.
In fact, if you really like that angle, it could even improve it: Nation A knows that Nation B is able to like men, women, and everyone on the spectrum in between. So why doesn't Nation B find Nation A attractive? Nation B needs Nation A's help, and Nation A is attracted to Nation B; Nation B can't reciprocate because Nation A isn't their type/feels like their sibling/completely turns them off. How are they going to work things out?
That sort of stuff isn't my thing; I'm partial to sweet stuff lately. (I used to read angst almost exclusively, but that was years ago.) But I just thought of it and figured I'd mention the possibility.
If you're monosexual (straight or gay, rather than bi, etc), then I have a quick question for you. If you see someone that you perceive to be of the gender that you're attracted to, find them attractive, and then find out that your perception was mistaken, how does that feeling change? If you're a legs person, or whatever, and you see a sexy snapshot of that body part without a context to let you know what the person's gender is, how can that attraction change?
(If you're not monosexual, but know someone who has answers to that, I'm interested in them. I find the whole idea pretty baffling... But I think I should at least make an effort to understand, you know?)
That was rambly. I should nap or something... I don't want to keep being sick and miss even more school, work, etc.
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YES
2) ...so is England, but he won't ask for it.
...No? I kinda see England being very honest about what he wants in bed, to himself and others. It's who he wants in bed what he isn't honest aboutXD
3) During old school battles and treaties, the nations used to fuck each other senseless as part of a "take that, bitch" routine; over the past few centuries, sex for them has started being less about politics, and more about what feels good (corresponding to a similar change in human morality)
yes yes Yes Yes Yes YES YES YES AND YES! God, this is the headcanon i always wanted people to agree with. Thank you for existing ^^
4) Nations start existing when people start to think of themselves as a unified country; so (and I know I'm diverging from the canon a little here) America came into existence sometime during the eighteenth century, when the settlers there started thinking of themselves as something other than English, even though he didn't have sovereignty for much longer than that.
I kinda agree only if we're talking about your headcanon regarding past incarnations. Like, for example, I don't mind France existing only post-Charlemagne if he retains memories of before, of Gallia, Gaul and Frankish Empire.
Also, and this is the fault of Margins, that gorgeous fic at the kinkmeme, I believe supranational treaties have an effect on the nations; the UN main building in NYC feels like their own soil for every nation in the world, the EU has a personification because many people in Europe identify themselves as both from (insert country name here) and European, etc. And she's France and Germany's daughter, and cute as a button ^^
5) Prussia gets a new bird that looks JUST LIKE GILBIRD whenever the old one dies, so he'll never be alone ; ;
For the sake of DO NOT WANT HEARTBREAK, I'll disagree ;_;
I think some nations have a familiar, like witches. Some nations who are especially powerful or weird have several; for example, America has his whale and his alien, but I bet those bunnies are still around in his house, eating his socksXD
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I've seen it written both ways and liked it. On the one hand, it's nice to see England NOT being repressed about something. On the other hand, think British Empire Pride. (also http://hetalia-kink.livejournal.com/16221.html?thread=47821405#t47821405)
"I believe supranational treaties have an effect on the nations"
...you KNOW I'm with you on that one.
"the EU has a personification because many people in Europe identify themselves as both from (insert country name here) and European, etc."
I like it! Particularly if she's all little and chibi still. I like the idea that an entity isn't all grown up until most of its citizens define themselves as primarily entity-ian... Thus the EU being a little girl, Chibitalia being Chibitalia while he was all divded up between kingdoms, the Holy Roman Empire... well, he was a federation too, wasn't he?
"And she's France and Germany's daughter, and cute as a button"
A) SO CUTE
B) We knew all along that France and Germany were behind this whole thing, sneaky bastards >>
C) "But Mommy said I could!"
D) ...but in a non-biological way, right? ;;;
"America has his whale and his alien"
...yeah, what's up with that? I mean, hilarious, but seriously, wtf? But yeah, it WOULD be America and Prussia that have bizarre familiars xD.
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