..on the current state of affairs and looking ahead

May 19, 2011 17:23

Technology and unemployment
Yes, this is all coming back to education

education

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gimli_m May 20 2011, 00:41:31 UTC
Um... are we sure this is not sampling bias? Only successful professionals get classified as professionals; therefore most professionals have jobs.

I can believe that unemployment in technical jobs is that low ... only if first-time applicants for full-time positions are not counted. Getting more than one internship on the way is now a norm in many fields.

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elka78 May 20 2011, 15:16:04 UTC
Of course it is sampling bias! The reason the unemployment % was brought up during this conversation was to demonstrate that there is a real shortage of qualified workers - both highly educated, and skilled labor. This is all, of course, as related to the optics manufacturing industry.

Interestingly enough, last year at CS Mantech I asked the question about talent building and education at the panel discussion (I was in the audience), and the panel kept coming back to education through to the end of discussion. And this year - the question came from the moderator and the heads of those kick-ass companies themselves.

Personally, I am convinced that optics and optics-related (i.e. lasers, etc) field will only continue to grow in the future. In my years of schooling an "optics engineer" wasn't even on the radar :)

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gimli_m May 20 2011, 16:36:36 UTC
What I observe around me (applied mathematics, nuclear engineering) is, simultaneously, shortage of qualified workers, and arrogance / extreme conservatism on the part of employers. It goes something like this: "yes, we know we need 10 extremely educated people to advance the field in directions never attempted before. But we will only hire 3, at least two of them must be experienced and familiar to us, and they can only work on the projects we are very familiar with."

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elka78 May 20 2011, 19:11:45 UTC
So, with the goal of advancing science and technology in mind, what is the solution?

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gimli_m May 20 2011, 19:34:33 UTC
As usual: less money for administrative tasks, more money for long-term scientific projects.

But the current situation is not all that problematic. Employment situation in technology is better than in many fields. I just wanted to make a point that I don't believe the 2% unemployment estimate.

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elka78 May 20 2011, 19:50:32 UTC
Less money - from who? The panel I referenced was among independent companies.
The problem is catch-22, as described in the article. Growth-infrastructure-skilled workers-education.

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gimli_m May 21 2011, 00:56:00 UTC
Less money from any given grant. I only have experience with government-sponsored science :)

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elka78 May 24 2011, 21:48:56 UTC
Government-sponsored science is a somewhat different animal. Although, in certain aspects it is easier to manage by executive order for more/less funding. Unlike market-driven technologies. Although, truth be told, lots of it is based on military projects.

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