DW 9.05. The Girl Who Died

Oct 24, 2015 16:31

Sorry this is so late, and scattered/basic. But it’s been a busy week... Mostly I'm just skimming the surface, picking out the main things I can see, without delving below in any kind of detail.

OTOH then Vikings/Norse mythology is stuff I am good with. (Nordic girl here.)

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beer_good_foamy October 24 2015, 18:36:11 UTC
Misplaced electric eels or no (I'm still not sure if the people at BBC think there are electric eels in Scandinavia, or if they just think all eels are electric), this was a really good episode, but your analysis adds even more too it. I hadn't caught on to the Osgood=Asgautr thing (partly because I was too annoyed at them consistently mispronouncing "Ashildr" as "Ash-ildur"). Still, best viking episode since "Selfless".

Tell a different story that's how you win.

ETA: Reading "Osgood" as "creator of gods" and meshing it with "The Big Bang", there's something to be said for storytellers as being the source of gods. ETA2: And traditionally, the way you become a god is, step 1: Come back from the dead.

The Davros-Odin parallel is brilliant, too - though Davros was never the wisest of creator gods, was he? ETA 2: Of course, Odin ended up being mostly displaced by his loud, boisterous, smash-everything-that-moves son...

So is the Doctor's purpose this season to seek the holy grail? (Aren't there mythological connections between the Fisher King and King Arthur?) And if so, is there any chance we'll get Alex Kingston in the role of identical twin sisters Zoot and Dingo? :)

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beer_good_foamy October 25 2015, 15:53:49 UTC
ETA3 or something: Looking over the transcript, the word "face" is all over the story, both in dialogue and imagery, in fake Odin's projection...
On my face, right now, more advanced technology than your species will manage over the next nine million years.
The joy of war! Can't you see it on my face?
Turn your face towards me, Mother, for you're beautiful.
Hey, hello, hi! I'm the Doctor. It's lovely to meet you face to, er, convincing hologram.
I know where I got this face, and I know what it's for.

The big reveal, apparently, being the Doctor realising why he took on this particular face. But Ashildr defeats the aliens by literally putting on one of their faces. There's some very sneaky religious imagery in this, the face of God being both horrible and wondrous, always the same and ever changing... But of course, anyone who thinks they can act like a god may come across as a bit of an as. (Sorry.)

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elisi October 25 2015, 18:49:36 UTC
ETA3 or something: Looking over the transcript, the word "face" is all over the story, both in dialogue and imagery, in fake Odin's projection...
Interdasting.

The big reveal, apparently, being the Doctor realising why he took on this particular face. But Ashildr defeats the aliens by literally putting on one of their faces.
And seeing/eyes/perception is also a big thing (that I hardly touched on...) She puts on their face, but she also makes them see through her eyes. It's a two-way thing.

There's some very sneaky religious imagery in this, the face of God being both horrible and wondrous, always the same and ever changing...
Hmmm. I shall ponder. Thank you. I like how your mind works. (Although I'm sure you knew that!)

But of course, anyone who thinks they can act like a god may come across as a bit of an as. (Sorry.)
*dies* I LIKE PUNNING!

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elisi October 25 2015, 18:42:34 UTC
Misplaced electric eels or no (I'm still not sure if the people at BBC think there are electric eels in Scandinavia, or if they just think all eels are electric)
They needed electric eels for the sake of the plot. Ergo there were electric eels.

this was a really good episode, but your analysis adds even more too it.


I hadn't caught on to the Osgood=Asgautr thing
I kept meaning to look up her name, but never got round to it. UNTIL NOW.

(partly because I was too annoyed at them consistently mispronouncing "Ashildr" as "Ash-ildur").
I never worked out what her name was until I looked it up afterwards. I still read it differently to what they say. BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO!

Still, best viking episode since "Selfless".
True.

ETA: Reading "Osgood" as "creator of gods" and meshing it with "The Big Bang", there's something to be said for storytellers as being the source of gods.
I'm not sure exactly how the 'creator' part works, I *think* it's more 'a god who creates', but the other reading certainly fits Osgood better.

ETA2: And traditionally, the way you become a god is, step 1: Come back from the dead.
M-hm. I'm alll over that for the next ep.

The Davros-Odin parallel is brilliant, too - though Davros was never the wisest of creator gods, was he?
No, he is very tricksy, but not what I'd call *wise*...

ETA 2: Of course, Odin ended up being mostly displaced by his loud, boisterous, smash-everything-that-moves son...
Please, have you read Peter Madsen's Valhalla comics? I need to know someone else who sees the Nordic gods the same way I do.

So is the Doctor's purpose this season to seek the holy grail? (Aren't there mythological connections between the Fisher King and King Arthur?)
Hmmm. I'd say he has a grail already (see the Sisterhood of Karn), but I shall try to see what I can think of re. the Fisher King. (Presumably he will not go to Camelot as it is a silly place...)

And if so, is there any chance we'll get Alex Kingston in the role of identical twin sisters Zoot and Dingo? :)
Two of you. The mind races...

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beer_good_foamy October 25 2015, 22:43:03 UTC
Please, have you read Peter Madsen's Valhalla comics? I need to know someone else who sees the Nordic gods the same way I do.

I have, but a very long time ago. Can't say I remember much of them, sorry.

She puts on their face, but she also makes them see through her eyes. It's a two-way thing.

Yep. Seeing and being seen. (Or watching and being watched if you want to get really meta.)

I'd say he has a grail already

Yeah, but can you really have a grail? The point of a grail is to have people seek it. Once you have it, it's really just a fancy mug. What is the Doctor seeking, these days?

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elisi October 28 2015, 19:27:58 UTC
I have, but a very long time ago. Can't say I remember much of them, sorry.
Ah well. I just still can't get my head around the Avengers' version... In my mind, this is what Thor & Loki look like:



Oh, and here's Thor, dressed up as Freya (Loki is the taller bridesmaid):



/random over-sharing

Yep. Seeing and being seen. (Or watching and being watched if you want to get really meta.)
Oh getting really meta is always fun!

Yeah, but can you really have a grail? The point of a grail is to have people seek it. Once you have it, it's really just a fancy mug. What is the Doctor seeking, these days?
... fun?

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