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Dec 15, 2014 18:53

Steven Moffat on Clara Becoming the Doctor in DOCTOR WHO Series 8.

[Snippets]"The thing about Clara is she thinks the show is called Clara. She really does. She has no idea she’s number two in the credits, which is why we did that joke in “Death in Heaven.” She’s got a high opinion of herself, not in a conceited way, but in a correct way. She knows she’s Read more... )

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elisi December 15 2014, 19:53:21 UTC
You weren't far wrong at all! (and hey, as we know Moffat is the trollingest troll to ever troll, so you could still be right!)
Oh he lies through HIS TEETH. But for now I shall accept his word. ;)

I think it's really interesting that Moffat says Clara is the one companion of recent times who really doesn't feel like she fits into the world she lives in - I would have said that applies much more to Amy.
I think there is a distinction to be made here... (Because I thought that too.) The Doctor & Amy were pretty co-dependent. 'Grew up together' as it were. He broke her and messed up her life and tried to put her back together and so forth. But in the end, if she had to make a choice she always chose Rory.

Clara, as he points out, loves Danny but still keep running away with the Doctor. (Of course the Doctor is also a jerk towards Danny.) BUT. What was my point again? Yes, Clara just has a normal life, uninfluenced by the Doctor, yet she becomes addicted to the lifestyle. As Moffat says, not because she loves the Doctor (Rose), and not because she craves validation (Donna, in great part)... She wants to run the show, as it were. Maybe that's why she keeps getting mirrored - she's no ones sidekick. (Thinking out loud here.) She becomes the Doctor, but it comes pretty naturally to her. Whether that's the Doctor corruptive influence, or her natural instinct... Well. But look at the echoes. They're desperate to get away.

OK, must run. And need to collect my thoughts into something coherent. ;)

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claudiapriscus December 16 2014, 01:03:22 UTC
It's an interesting question. I think maybe the difference is that Amy was more about not wanting to fit in, and when she was older, being afraid of settling down, committing etc. But when she finally does...I mean, look at The Power of Three. She still loves the Doctor, still enjoys the traveling, but she's no longer driven, the way she was before. She's not wanting to miss out on "real life". So Amy stops running...and the thing with Clara is that I don't think she ever was running from anything.

Clara also does seem to have a somewhat unusual approach to life (and other people). And just the fact that she's picked up traveling through all space and time as a *hobby* says a lot about her. For Amy, it seemed more like an escape (from making choices about her life)- you know, neverneverland- and eventually she no longer needs to escape. But Clara's motives...she does seem a lot more like the Doctor, just caught on the wonder and adrenaline and curiosity.

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elisi December 16 2014, 07:15:57 UTC
So Amy stops running...and the thing with Clara is that I don't think she ever was running from anything.
Yes, that's it! Thank you for encapsulating it so perfectly!!!

But Clara's motives...she does seem a lot more like the Doctor, just caught on the wonder and adrenaline and curiosity.
Mmmmm. There seems to be a little 'stole a Time Lord and ran away' - it's always her choice, and she sets all the rules.

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purplefringe December 17 2014, 12:14:23 UTC
So Amy stops running...and the thing with Clara is that I don't think she ever was running from anything.

Mmmmm. Yes, that is the key difference between them, you're right. Their journeys go in opposite directions. I just found some really great meta unpicking that a bit here: http://aflawedfashion.tumblr.com/post/105358530418 (you may have already seen it)

I think also possibly it's a matter of Moffat's perspective as an older, married, settled man vs the perspective of younger fans growing up in the economic crisis? Maybe? As a 20-something with no real idea of what I want to "do" with my life, I really strongly identified with Clara back in BOSJ - she had employment, of sorts, at the Maitlands, but was basically putting off 'real life' (getting a steady job, getting her own place, etc) and treading water. She was a bit bored, and procrastinating, but didn't feel so *completely* hopeless about it all that she had to ditch everything and run away, as Amy did.

To me, that feels absolutely accurate. It's not that she *doesn't fit* into the world she lives in, it's that she hasn't worked out HOW she fits into that world as yet...that's how I read it anyway. That's how I feel a lot of the time, and why I think she's such a great character.

Interestingly, by the time of the 50th anniversary ep, she's both more settled in the world - steady job, own flat, soon to get a boyfriend etc - and also LESS attached to it, as the adventure addiction is really starting to take hold and she always has one foot in the Tardis. By the end of S8 there's really very little holding her to her real life on Earth (besides her dad and her gran), and this is why I would love to see her ending up on Gallifrey...

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purplefringe December 17 2014, 12:21:45 UTC
Oooh, and another thought, actually: Clara certainly doesn't think that going to the shops is an 'adventure' (do you REALLY think that, Moffat? Really?! I don't) but I don't think that makes her unusual. Again, perhaps a difference of perspective from Moffat, but I think most people get worn down at times by the mundane chores of daily life, and long for something more exciting. I don't think that makes Clara especially unusual.

What I DO think Moffat has got bang on is that Clara secretly wants to be the Hero Of The Story - we KNOW she grew up reading Amelia Williams books, we know she's genre-savvy as a result ('good guys don't have zombie creatures') and I can well imagine that she would have daydreamed as a child about being Harry Potter, or Frodo or Lyra Silvertongue or any other fictional character with an Epic Destiny to fulfill. (again, I did. my childhood dream was to be Aladdin. Or Harry Potter.)

Amy, by contrast, had her whole childhood warped by the Doctor's crash landing in her garden, and we know that SHE grew up playing at having adventures *with* her Raggedy Doctor. But the difference is - she made Rory be the Raggedy Doctor. She would have seen herself as the friend of the Doctor, and probably at some point when she was older, the girlfriend of the Doctor. Whilst I have no doubt whatsoever that it was Amy rather than Rory who made up the narratives and the rules in their games, and she probably rescued the Raggedy Doctor a great deal, but he always featured. Her was her imaginary friend and hero. Whereas I doubt there was any magic space hero in Clara's childhood daydreams - *she*, the literature-loving bossy control freak would be the hero. That's how she reads to me. And so when she gets the chance, through the Doctor, to actually BE that hero...it's no wonder she gets hooked.

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elisi December 20 2014, 14:21:36 UTC
*nods a lot*

Amy was, essentially, training herself up to the ultimate companion - but Clara was dreaming about her own adventures. And she was always so very independent, holding her own, and the Doctor - when he found her - so focussed on her (clearly she was doing him a favour by coming along), that it's no wonder she ended up where she did.

ETA: Actually, I think this might be the key to her? (Presuming she isn't the Doctor.) Right from the start she has been structured as 'the hero'. The whole Impossible Girl arc is about how she saves him. She's the companion who doesn't 'develop' into a hero and grasp some shining moment, but about the Companion who was always self-assured.

It's interesting to look at their last parting in the light of this. "You made me feel special." This is such an un-Clara-like thing to say - except of course that the Doctor then immediately returns the compliment, thus keeping them as equals.

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elisi December 20 2014, 11:12:50 UTC
Quotes that fit with your clever thoughts. (And thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that.)

DOCTOR: You're thinking of stopping, aren't you? You and Rory.
AMY: No. I mean, we haven't made a decision.
DOCTOR: But you're considering it.
AMY: Maybe. I don't know. We don't know. Well, our lives have changed so much. But there was a time, there were years, when I couldn't live without you. When just the whole everyday thing would drive me crazy. But since you dropped us back here, since you gave us this house, you know, we've built a life. I don't know if I can have both.
DOCTOR: Why?
AMY: Because they pull at each other. Because they pull at me, and because the travelling is starting to feel like running away.
DOCTOR: That's not what it is.
AMY: Oh, come on. Look at you, four days in a lounge and you go crazy.
DOCTOR: I'm not running away. But this is one corner of one country in one continent on one planet that's a corner of a galaxy that's a corner of a universe that is forever growing and shrinking and creating and destroying and never remaining the same for a single millisecond. And there is so much, so much to see, Amy. Because it goes so fast. I'm not running away from things, I am running to them before they flare and fade forever.

DANNY: Why do you do it? Why do you fly off in the box with him? The truth. Please, just this once.
CLARA: Because it's amazing. Because I see wonders.

CLARA: Is it like-
DOCTOR: Like what?
CLARA: An addiction?
DOCTOR: You can't really tell if something's an addiction till you try and give it up.
CLARA: And you never have.
DOCTOR: Let me know how it goes.

CLARA: So, trip to space, anyone?
RUBY: I want my mum.
SAMSON: I slightly want my mum, too.
CLARA: Tell them, Mister Pink, what an educational opportunity
DANNY: You, you go. This. This is enough for me.
CLARA: What? Coronal ejections, geomagnetic storms. How often do you get a playlist like that?

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