DW 8.07. Kill the Moon/Clara Who?

Oct 11, 2014 17:50

[This started out as a long rant at fandom, but I cut it down to the bare bones. Feel free to skip.] Note: If you want a story where all the babiez are brutally KILLED and everything is about the Doctor’s man!pain, go watch The Runaway Bride. Imma gonna watch the episode with all the awesome wimmins in charge. (No disrespect to RTD or Donna. Love them both.)With that out of the way - welcome to the meta cafe! :) This is long and rambly, you have ( Read more... )

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kaffy_r October 11 2014, 19:33:24 UTC
I've been off LJ and DW for close to an entire week, and I'm trying to get back on the horse. Of course the first place I come is right here.

eaweek said she hoped that people who didn't like the episode could be forced to sit and read this. I didn't have to be forced, because I always - always - enjoy what think, what you postulate, and how you write about those things.

I still, however, have horrendous problems with this story. They have to do with how I approach story telling, and how I approach the art and liturgy of writing. Those problems haven't changed.

[snip to remove what became a rant about the episode. This is not the place to do that, because what lies below is what is important.]

Despite all that, I understand that my violent sense of deep dislike for the episode is a thing connected to levels of the story other than the mythical and metaphysical that you have spied.What you spy is always worth reading. What you do in finding these things, mining them and bringing them to the surface of the story is priceless ( ... )

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elisi October 11 2014, 20:33:20 UTC
I've been off LJ and DW for close to an entire week, and I'm trying to get back on the horse. Of course the first place I come is right here.
Aw. <3 (Hope things are OK.)

eaweek said she hoped that people who didn't like the episode could be forced to sit and read this. I didn't have to be forced, because I always - always - enjoy what think, what you postulate, and how you write about those things.
That is high praise in indeed. And I hope I don't force things on people.

I still, however, have horrendous problems with this story. They have to do with how I approach story telling, and how I approach the art and liturgy of writing. Those problems haven't changed.
I saw your post, although I didn't read it.

[snip to remove what became a rant about the episode. This is not the place to do that, because what lies below is what is important.]Please don't think my cut-down rant was aimed at you. (I almost put a disclaimer on in, to say it wasn't about my flist.) More about fandom generally, and just the whole atmosphere, the way ( ... )

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kaffy_r October 12 2014, 18:23:34 UTC
(Hope things are OK.)

Indeed, they are pretty darned reasonable; I just had one hell of a busy week, and my brain went in to "too few spoons" thinking (or lack of thinking) mode. There are days when I simply can't, for the life of me, find anything worth saying to other people, and I can't respond to other people.

Please don't think my cut-down rant was aimed at you.

Oh, goodness, no. I didn't for a moment. I understand the frustration and eventual anger at people who only seem to hate watch. I know that these people are folks who generally love the show, but they are like bruised lovers who focus on being bruised, rather than on the love they still carry.

*looks at the last paragraph and decides to back away slowly from the simile*

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elisi October 12 2014, 18:28:21 UTC
Indeed, they are pretty darned reasonable; I just had one hell of a busy week, and my brain went in to "too few spoons" thinking (or lack of thinking) mode. There are days when I simply can't, for the life of me, find anything worth saying to other people, and I can't respond to other people.
I think we all have days like that... *hugs*

Oh, goodness, no. I didn't for a moment.
Oh good! ::is relieved:: (I always worry.)

I understand the frustration and eventual anger at people who only seem to hate watch. I know that these people are folks who generally love the show, but they are like bruised lovers who focus on being bruised, rather than on the love they still carry.
They are like Star Wars fans.

*looks at the last paragraph and decides to back away slowly from the simile*
Heh. (Also this icon is rather apropos...)

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kaffy_r October 13 2014, 14:13:41 UTC
That Star Wars piece was amusingly on point. I never fathomed the love for that universe, as I'm sure many SW fans can't fathom why Who fans are the way they are, but having thought every single thought mentioned in the essay (because yes, I did watch each SW movie), I couldn't help but grin.

"If I love you, take care!" (Or more idiomatically, I imagine, "If I love you, watch your back!") Yes indeed, quite apropos. Heh.

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elisi October 14 2014, 19:33:55 UTC
That Star Wars piece was amusingly on point. I never fathomed the love for that universe, as I'm sure many SW fans can't fathom why Who fans are the way they are, but having thought every single thought mentioned in the essay (because yes, I did watch each SW movie), I couldn't help but grin.
It's very good, and always makes me smile, because that's it. Everyone has their very own idea about what the show should be...

"If I love you, take care!" (Or more idiomatically, I imagine, "If I love you, watch your back!") Yes indeed, quite apropos. Heh.
Clara Who? *pokes*

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kaffy_r October 14 2014, 19:40:39 UTC
Now my curiosity is rampant. Surely someone's done something similar for our show?

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elisi October 14 2014, 19:53:29 UTC
I think Doctor Who is slightly different, in that it's always the current show that's rubbish, the OLD show (whether that is the First or Tenth Doctor depends on the fan) was far superior.

Oooh. Hang on. I remember:

The 45 deaths of Doctor Who

Tadaaaaah! :D

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kaffy_r October 26 2014, 22:37:41 UTC
Ah yes, that! It never fails to amuse!

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