*applauds*!!! gorgeous meta. poetic, like it's subject.
something's bothering me about the knowledge of Gallifrey on the other side of the crack, though, and I wonder if you've had any Thoughts about it -- in the episode where the Master revives and is trying to bring the Timelords back through the energy gate, Ten knows the Timelords are still there, in the time bubble. He's not surprised by it. Why isn't he surprised by it? Why doesn't he have an "omg I've been carrying around all this pain from KILLING them all and now it's....not true? Except oops, they seem to be evil"? And yes, he regenerates soon after that, which might account for some memory scramble, but wouldn't Eleven remember that they were there, and that this was NOT A GOOD THING, and them coming through was a thing he STOPPED?
Another thing I've been wondering about is Clara as a character -- her story is almost too contained by her multiple iterations through the Doctor's timeline -- I wonder if it makes her, as a character, too static, with no room to grow outside that very complete circle?
I love your parallels between Clara and River -- and agree about River being an only partially reformed psychopath -- but I think despite that, River has more of a transformative arc then does Clara, appealing as Clara is. Clara is almost beyond human in her "impossible"ness. And it's interesting that when we see her with her family, it comes off rather flat. She's far more lively as a nanny than as a daughter, where "nanny" is, one can argue (and I am) a more mythological figure than actually being part of a human family in all its complexity and mess.
Rambling, sorry. Your meta makes thinky thoughts. :)
*applauds*!!! gorgeous meta. poetic, like it's subject. ♥ That is what I was aiming for. If I'd had three more weeks, no work to go back to, and no family, I'd have gotten there properly.
something's bothering me about the knowledge of Gallifrey on the other side of the crack, though, and I wonder if you've had any Thoughts about it -- in the episode where the Master revives and is trying to bring the Timelords back through the energy gate, Ten knows the Timelords are still there, in the time bubble. He's not surprised by it. Why isn't he surprised by it? OK, I'll try to lay it out as clearly as possible (which is difficult, because... timey-wimey). The Council of the Time Lords (the ones led by Rassilon) are the ones planning to break out of the Time War and ascend. This takes place prior to the War Doctor's actions. (The generals - at the beginning of Day of the Doctor - mention how the council are all locked up in some terribly important meeting, and the top buy just shrugs it off, because Rassilon's plans have all failed.) Rassilon - on EoT - is told that the Doctor possesses 'The Moment', which probably just makes him act all the more swiftly. And it's possible that the War Doctor stole The Moment partly because he knew what Rassilon was planning. So! When Rassilon & co, break through to Earth thanks to the Master, they do it at a point before the War Doctor has used The Moment. What the Tenth Doctor does is send them back to where they were, and time - and Gallifrey's destruction - will all snap back into place. NOW however, he knows that they weren't destroyed, just saved, which is why the Time Lords calling through the crack and ones at a point in time after Day of the Doctor, and after they agreed for the Doctor to save them. Does that make sense?
And yes, he regenerates soon after that, which might account for some memory scramble, but wouldn't Eleven remember that they were there, and that this was NOT A GOOD THING, and them coming through was a thing he STOPPED? Well he knows that Rassilon & co. are batshit insane, but he probably figures he can deal with that in time. The rest are OK.
Another thing I've been wondering about is Clara as a character -- her story is almost too contained by her multiple iterations through the Doctor's timeline -- I wonder if it makes her, as a character, too static, with no room to grow outside that very complete circle? This is one reason I shall have to write meta on her, because she is fascinating, but at the moment she is (in the best possible way) a Magic Pixie Dream Girl. And fairly static because of that. I have a feeling that Twelve will help shake things up a bit.
I love your parallels between Clara and River -- and agree about River being an only partially reformed psychopath -- but I think despite that, River has more of a transformative arc then does Clara, appealing as Clara is. Oh River is... Well. If you remember, then River started off as smart, sassy, competent, could-do-everything-the-Doctor-did-except-better... And then came S6 and there was this huge messy background story. I have a feeling that there is a lot more to Clara than the very simple story we've had so far. (Because the things she has done... Like I said. She'll get her own post!)
Clara is almost beyond human in her "impossible"ness. And it's interesting that when we see her with her family, it comes off rather flat. She's far more lively as a nanny than as a daughter, where "nanny" is, one can argue (and I am) a more mythological figure than actually being part of a human family in all its complexity and mess. Mmmmm, yes, I see what you mean. And she *is* sort of mythological... Clara Who?
Rambling, sorry. Your meta makes thinky thoughts. :) That's the idea! :D
Well, elisi has covered the whole "sequence of events" thing pretty well, but I would add that the last time the Doctor saw Rassilon and the Council, they had just taken an insane, pissed off, and supercharged Master directly to the face. That would tend to derail their plans. The Doctor doesn't really know what sort of situation he'll be facing when he finally finds Gallifrey, but it won't be exactly the same as the one in "The End of Time."
As to Clara-I think the significant question in her arc right now is, what now? What is her relationship with this Doctor, especially considering that she really didn't want to lose "hers?" Does it matter that she never saved this one? And come to think of it, exactly how much does she remember from her copies? I'm not sure I can judge her arc at this point, because we've only just passed one of the first big "beats," where she made the decision to become the somewhat inhuman savior.
something's bothering me about the knowledge of Gallifrey on the other side of the crack, though, and I wonder if you've had any Thoughts about it -- in the episode where the Master revives and is trying to bring the Timelords back through the energy gate, Ten knows the Timelords are still there, in the time bubble. He's not surprised by it. Why isn't he surprised by it? Why doesn't he have an "omg I've been carrying around all this pain from KILLING them all and now it's....not true? Except oops, they seem to be evil"? And yes, he regenerates soon after that, which might account for some memory scramble, but wouldn't Eleven remember that they were there, and that this was NOT A GOOD THING, and them coming through was a thing he STOPPED?
Another thing I've been wondering about is Clara as a character -- her story is almost too contained by her multiple iterations through the Doctor's timeline -- I wonder if it makes her, as a character, too static, with no room to grow outside that very complete circle?
I love your parallels between Clara and River -- and agree about River being an only partially reformed psychopath -- but I think despite that, River has more of a transformative arc then does Clara, appealing as Clara is. Clara is almost beyond human in her "impossible"ness. And it's interesting that when we see her with her family, it comes off rather flat. She's far more lively as a nanny than as a daughter, where "nanny" is, one can argue (and I am) a more mythological figure than actually being part of a human family in all its complexity and mess.
Rambling, sorry. Your meta makes thinky thoughts. :)
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♥ That is what I was aiming for. If I'd had three more weeks, no work to go back to, and no family, I'd have gotten there properly.
something's bothering me about the knowledge of Gallifrey on the other side of the crack, though, and I wonder if you've had any Thoughts about it -- in the episode where the Master revives and is trying to bring the Timelords back through the energy gate, Ten knows the Timelords are still there, in the time bubble. He's not surprised by it. Why isn't he surprised by it?
OK, I'll try to lay it out as clearly as possible (which is difficult, because... timey-wimey). The Council of the Time Lords (the ones led by Rassilon) are the ones planning to break out of the Time War and ascend. This takes place prior to the War Doctor's actions. (The generals - at the beginning of Day of the Doctor - mention how the council are all locked up in some terribly important meeting, and the top buy just shrugs it off, because Rassilon's plans have all failed.) Rassilon - on EoT - is told that the Doctor possesses 'The Moment', which probably just makes him act all the more swiftly. And it's possible that the War Doctor stole The Moment partly because he knew what Rassilon was planning. So! When Rassilon & co, break through to Earth thanks to the Master, they do it at a point before the War Doctor has used The Moment. What the Tenth Doctor does is send them back to where they were, and time - and Gallifrey's destruction - will all snap back into place. NOW however, he knows that they weren't destroyed, just saved, which is why the Time Lords calling through the crack and ones at a point in time after Day of the Doctor, and after they agreed for the Doctor to save them. Does that make sense?
And yes, he regenerates soon after that, which might account for some memory scramble, but wouldn't Eleven remember that they were there, and that this was NOT A GOOD THING, and them coming through was a thing he STOPPED?
Well he knows that Rassilon & co. are batshit insane, but he probably figures he can deal with that in time. The rest are OK.
Another thing I've been wondering about is Clara as a character -- her story is almost too contained by her multiple iterations through the Doctor's timeline -- I wonder if it makes her, as a character, too static, with no room to grow outside that very complete circle?
This is one reason I shall have to write meta on her, because she is fascinating, but at the moment she is (in the best possible way) a Magic Pixie Dream Girl. And fairly static because of that. I have a feeling that Twelve will help shake things up a bit.
I love your parallels between Clara and River -- and agree about River being an only partially reformed psychopath -- but I think despite that, River has more of a transformative arc then does Clara, appealing as Clara is.
Oh River is... Well. If you remember, then River started off as smart, sassy, competent, could-do-everything-the-Doctor-did-except-better... And then came S6 and there was this huge messy background story. I have a feeling that there is a lot more to Clara than the very simple story we've had so far. (Because the things she has done... Like I said. She'll get her own post!)
Clara is almost beyond human in her "impossible"ness. And it's interesting that when we see her with her family, it comes off rather flat. She's far more lively as a nanny than as a daughter, where "nanny" is, one can argue (and I am) a more mythological figure than actually being part of a human family in all its complexity and mess.
Mmmmm, yes, I see what you mean. And she *is* sort of mythological... Clara Who?
Rambling, sorry. Your meta makes thinky thoughts. :)
That's the idea! :D
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As to Clara-I think the significant question in her arc right now is, what now? What is her relationship with this Doctor, especially considering that she really didn't want to lose "hers?" Does it matter that she never saved this one? And come to think of it, exactly how much does she remember from her copies? I'm not sure I can judge her arc at this point, because we've only just passed one of the first big "beats," where she made the decision to become the somewhat inhuman savior.
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