Meta: The Doctor’s Final Lesson, courtesy of River Song. SPOILERS for TWoRS.

Oct 06, 2011 15:00

Welcome to the meta café! Help yourselves to tea and scones! (No really. This is epic and vast. It’s taken me days to write. You’re going to be here a while. It's just over 8500 words long. And image heavy.)

Before we begin, I shall just point out a Moffat joke. Because I think there are a lot of jokes we’ll only really get now. From Time of ( Read more... )

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eve11 October 6 2011, 15:15:15 UTC
Aw, this was just gorgeous. I too felt like initially the escape from death was a cheat, but actually this post (and Moffat's tweet!) makes me feel so much better about it :D

One thing though:

avert the Falling of Silence, by killing the Doctor so he would never get to Trenzelor,

I think that's backwards: remember it's the Doctor's silence that they are actually trying to ensure. Because the alternative is too horrible to think about. "I never realized it was my silence. My death." The Silence is not trying to avert "Silence falling" they are trying to ensure it. As Dorium says, "Silence must fall when the Question is asked", as in, the Doctor had better already be dead because if he's there, he'll answer and then apparently, Bad Shit Will Happen. :D

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elisi October 6 2011, 15:21:32 UTC
Aw, this was just gorgeous.
*beams*

And re. Silence Falling, then I think we actually mean the same thing, it's just a problem that the words are the same! The Silence are trying to ensure the Doctor's Silence falling, in order to avert the actual falling of Silence (the end of the universe).

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eve11 October 6 2011, 15:35:52 UTC
Ah, okay, so are you saying then that the Bad Thing that will happen at Trenzalore is what causes the cracks in Time? And that is what everybody is trying to prevent? Oho! So there's two silences then. The "silence" that everyone's fleeing because the Doctor spoke something in the pre-reboot timeline and THAT is what caused the cracks, not the TARDIS being blown up. And then there's silence being the Doctor's silence, that the religious order are trying to ensure. Well, that's not a bit confusing is it? I'll have to think about that ( ... )

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elisi October 6 2011, 15:43:30 UTC
Ah, okay, so are you saying then that the Bad Thing that will happen at Trenzalore is what causes the cracks in Time? And that is what everybody is trying to prevent? Oho! So there's two silences then.
Yes exactly. Wasn't that clear? (This has been EATING MY HEAD. I should probably go clarify.)

You know, I would really really like it if that was Moffat's game from the beginning... maybe he does have a longer view plan than I gave him credit for.
I'm pretty sure he had the outline in his head when he wrote the Library episodes... Look at River in astronaut suit! Basically EVERYTHING is connected, we just don't have all the puzzle pieces yet.

which is a much sadder thing to think about than the Doctor getting married at every point in history
Well yes and no. Had this made for me last year. *point to icon* :)

ETA: of course now we know that whatever the hell happened, the Doctor has actually already fixed it. How to tell the bad guys???? :D
IKR? TIMEY-WIMEY SHENANIGANS! I LOVE IT! :D

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janie_aire October 6 2011, 15:19:26 UTC
Damn you!

You made me cry.

And thank you, because while I truly loved this episode, there was so much I just didn't see -- and so I didn't cry at all during this episode, not once in the five times I've already seen it.

And now I see, and it *is* beautiful, and so much better than I ever dreamed.

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elisi October 6 2011, 15:29:12 UTC
I refuse to aplogise on the grounds that this is exactly what happened to me too. The number of times I've choked whilst writing is ridiculous. I'd begin to explore something, or follow a thought by someone else, and when I reached the end I'd just be speechless.

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promethia_tenk October 6 2011, 15:31:30 UTC
Oh, it is a thing of BEAUTY!

Excuse me while I clutch at you and make sputtering noises . . .

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elisi October 6 2011, 15:33:46 UTC

... )

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elisi October 6 2011, 22:09:50 UTC
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

OK, I'm just going to go hide somewhere and try to peel this GIANT smile off my face. *flails quietly* I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS!

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bendingwind October 6 2011, 16:47:03 UTC
You have this wonderful and also extremely irritating but mostly just wonderful tendency to put everything I'm thinking into words. I have trouble writing explicit meta--I usually can only explore my thoughts about the show directly through fic. This is just... so perfect. On every level (and the one point I didn't agree with has already been addressed in another comment, I see, so that's nice).

Brb LINKING ALL THE PEOPLE.

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elisi October 6 2011, 17:04:56 UTC
You have this wonderful and also extremely irritating but mostly just wonderful tendency to put everything I'm thinking into words.
Heh. Sounds good to me! :) And yeah, I've seen the fic explosion (and well I understand the urge - so many things can be far better explored through fic), so please just keep on going. <3

Oh and THANK YOU!

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elisi October 6 2011, 17:11:34 UTC
I KNOW! *is helplessly enthralled*

And thank you for reading. ♥

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