Aiyee Ikea! and what a Will wants.

Mar 11, 2007 00:19

So I spent the day putting together a pile of Ikea furniture. A bookshelf/hutch thingy, a couple of stools and two bedside tables, and am I beat. My right arm and shoulder are sore, My right thand is practically raw (I just avoided blisters) and really, the bookshelf and bedside tables are not done yet. Oiy ( Read more... )

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venusinchains March 12 2007, 07:18:34 UTC
I'm very much in agreement with you. I think I have a slightly different take on it, though.

I've always seen Will as an Angry Young Man (dad deserted him, mom died on him, pirates attacked him, Papa Swann or Norrington stuck him with a lush who - apparently - wasn't telling folks how much work Will did, and society's stratification separated him from his True Love, Liz ). He tuned that anger on pirates (for obvious reasons) and threw himself into it wholeheartedly, maybe thinking that living in a thriving port town he'd put all that practice to good use (and he was right!).

Something else I've always assumed, based on the kind of attention Liz pays to him at the beginning of CotBP, is that she has sought him out in the past, keeping in touch over the years, even if it had to be over exchanges with Mr. Brown or at some public, and therefore highly chaperoned, event (occasions that would have decreased as the two of them grew older - though not because Liz wanted them to ( ... )

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elibad March 13 2007, 02:39:05 UTC
ITA with the 'Angry Young Man' thing, and the fact that he channels it. It does seem to occasionally materialize though. Will has him some authority issues, in both movies he pretty much gets in the grills of all the 'authority-type' figures at one time or another, Norrington, Jack, Barbosa, Governor Swann, Lord Beckett, Jones. Heck, he even goes off on Elizabeth in CotBP.

I really like your take on the Will/Elizabeth dynamic, it makes a lot of sense. Will seems to have a hyper sense of responsibility to the people within his little circle, Elizabeth, Bootstrap, even Jack, and comes across as willing to do just about anything for them, regardless of what he receives in return.

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slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers venusinchains March 13 2007, 07:40:23 UTC
"in both movies he pretty much gets in the grills of all the 'authority-type' figures"

But it's not something he does lightly (though it may seem so to those authority figures). Every time, it's part of a crisis (for him) over something of vital importance to him (that has been endangered, in fact or in perception) - either Liz or his father or, interestingly enough (says the J/W shipper), Jack.

"Will seems to have a hyper sense of responsibility"

Something that, if it could be expanded to include others in need, might make him the perfect candidate for DJ's job.

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 13 2007, 22:39:47 UTC
interestingly enough (says the J/W shipper), Jack.

We're sailing on the same ship, and can I mention that I really liked how Will was pretty belligerent on Jack's behalf with Beckett, especially for someone who claimed early in the conversation that they were more 'acquaintance' than 'friend'

Something that, if it could be expanded to include others in need, might make him the perfect candidate for DJ's job.

I think it could easily transfer to others, which is why some aspects of this possible ending may work, but still not convinced T&T are capable of pulling this off (unlike some exceptional fanfic writers!)

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers venusinchains March 14 2007, 00:34:14 UTC
"more 'acquaintance' than 'friend'"

I'm sure you've heard this in a dozen places (I know I have), but that line kills me. I mean, how many 'acquaintances' would you lay your life down for? (It either speaks to the Heroic personality Will has or to just how highly he holds Jack. Or both.) And then he goes on to disagree on what Jack would call 'being free.' Much more than an acquaintance, I'd say. :)

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And I'm still waiting (patiently, of course) for metalkat's Will As Davy fic. (!)

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers veronica_rich March 14 2007, 01:03:32 UTC
Do you remember in CotBP, when Will negotiates for Elizabeth's release, and Barbossa gives him STRICTLY what he asks for - and then how visibly upset he is about it, and how it just egged Barbossa on? Seems to me our William has learned a valuable lesson about not showing all of one's cards - or emotions - too readily.

And I bet he learned it by watching Jack.

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 14 2007, 04:04:09 UTC
Will total learned some tricks from Jack (and Barbosa), he's much cagier in all his bargaining in DMC, Beckett, Jones, Jack (although slightly more dopey than actually cagey with Jack).

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers venusinchains March 14 2007, 05:32:25 UTC
"I bet he learned it by watching Jack."

It still kills me. :-p (In a good way.)

And I agree with elibad, he really doesn't try with Jack. Maybe he just knows it's not worth it (at least not overtly).

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 14 2007, 18:46:13 UTC
My theory on this (from a completely J/W 'tainted' view), Will really, really, really wants to question Jack during their dealings, but he holds back (I was probably totally projecting, but I got a very restrained vibe from Will in their early DMC dealings). Although, he's all over Gibbs the minute they are 'out' of Jack's hearing, asking his questions, possibly because he knows Gibbs will answer said questions, where as he also knows Jack will prevaricate like all get out ( ... )

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers venusinchains March 15 2007, 07:43:04 UTC
I think Jack is just always trying to keep all of his options open. That seems to mean keeping as many of the people he's trying to utilize as possible in the dark about what's really going on (as he does with the whole "drawing of a key" bit at the start of DMC). I think Will accepts this, more or less because he knows he has no choice - and because (as you said) Jack does seem to tell Gibbs everything (eventually).

But even Gibbs didn't tell Will that they weren't setting him on The Dutchman (though I like to think he would have if Jack hadn't been standing right there prompting him otherwise).

Bloody Pirates!

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And I agree that Jack (and Will) would have had an easier time of it if he'd just told all to Will.

The shipper in me likes to think that Jack was trying to protect Will in some hard to explain way and was definitely relying on Will's general mad skills to save the day. The Pure Canon lover in me suspects that Jack just can't help but Play The Game, and he's come to consider everyone his willing pawns.

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers venusinchains March 15 2007, 08:00:38 UTC
Reading back over my post, I'm sure I didn't respond to the "Will" part of yours. (My brain cells are starting to power down. :-p)

I don't know if Will would feel he owed Jack anything (he did, after all, save his life at the end of CotBP). Shipper-Me just likes to think he feels all silly and speechless around Jack. (Can you see the brain cells winking out? :-p)

I don't think Jack intended to leave Will on The Dutchman either, but I'm not entirely sure Will would believe that. (Oy, time for bed. * )

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 15 2007, 17:25:29 UTC
I think 'owe' was the the wrong word here, because it wasn't meant in the whole debits/credits 'you saved my life, I saved yours, so now we're square' kind of owe. But more along the lines of Will's little family/inner circle thing, and how he would/does treat those within.

Will didn't trust Jack at all in CotBP, and Jack did eventually prove himself to be (somewhat) reliable and trustworthy. So in DMC Will is now giving him the benefit of the doubt he did not extend him in CotBP, and like you say, Will understands Jack enough to know that he isn't going to tell him everything (or anything useful), which is why he uses Gibbs to get some kind of feel for what the hell is even going on. So, while Will really wants to question Jack, perhaps even smack the crap out of him, he doesn't, forcing himself to trust Jack, because he has proved that he can be relied upon to not let Elizabeth or Will actually die ( ... )

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers veronica_rich March 15 2007, 23:41:35 UTC
I also think Jack is upset that Will shows up on Isla Cruces, not because of Elizabeth, but because it foils his plans, again

The thing is, Jack finally HAD both Norrington and Elizabeth in the palm of his hand. They both believed him, he'd been proven right in a mad claim (the heart), so it made sense they would be more likely to listen to whatever he'd have them do next. And then Will shows up looking pissed off, and Jack realizes the gig is up and Will's about to open his big mouth (not to mention, while Norrington is being All Sad over the kiss, Jack is looking around, presumably for Will's "friends" who undoubtedly ferried him just offshore). It's also why he hits him with the oar - he sees Will has likely figured out the heart thing and it's a BAD, BAD time to have to answer the questions Will would undoubtedly ask right then despite the battle.

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 16 2007, 03:58:16 UTC
Not to mention that when Will does show up, pissed and with new 'friends' in tow, he's also rocking his own agenda, operation 'save daddy'. Dear, sweet William really is a pain in Jack's ass.

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers veronica_rich March 16 2007, 06:07:51 UTC
BTW, I hijacked this post into my newest essay. So you might get some commenters you haven't seen before. :-P

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Re: slight AWE speculation (that I'm sure you've heard) in case you're anti-spoilers elibad March 17 2007, 01:32:56 UTC
Bring 'em. The more the merrier.

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