Aiyee Ikea! and what a Will wants.

[elibad]

So I spent the day putting together a pile of Ikea furniture. A bookshelf/hutch thingy, a couple of stools and two bedside tables, and am I beat. My right arm and shoulder are sore, My right thand is practically raw (I just avoided blisters) and really, the bookshelf and bedside tables are not done yet. Oiy

Comments

[riveroceansea]

You make some great points here. The most telling moment, for me, besides Will's appearance on Isla Cruces is that moment in the longboat when will says "Where's Jack?" There's a deadly fire in his eyes and he's practically vibrating with anger. He's more than willing to take on Jack to keep Elizabeth.

I think Elizabeth enjoyed the power she had over Jack. Here's a woman in a restrained society tasting a bit of the power men have and likes it. She doesn't have to be 'proper' and with the attention Jack's giving her, of course she's lapping it up. Yet she runs to Will *before* she finds out Jack lied to her and despite what the compass says.

Her mournful state at the end of the movie is her not only dealing with the fact that she killed to save herself and Will, but that she killed Jack in particular. Not because she loved him necessarily, but because she respected him and all that he stood for. She took away Jack's ultimate love--his freedom.

As an aside, I ship practically every pairing, including Sparrabeth. :Grins:

[veronica_rich]

But here again, you've proven elibad's point: Everything turns into what Elizabeth wants. The only thing you say about Will is that he's willing to take on Jack for her. That really doesn't say much about what Will might want beyond Elizabeth, and I'm not sure she herself is the apex of his world. (See my reply below.)

The movies are already about what Elizabeth wants. Frankly, I'm to the point where I couldn't care less what Elizabeth wants, partly because she can't even figure it out. :-P

[elibad]

Part of the problem is that so much of Will in these movies is tied up in Elizabeth. She is undoubtedly important, but like you, I don't think she is his end all be all. If he loses her to Jack, or the monkey, or fickle fate, it won't destroy him.

I think on some level he may even expect to lose her, why qualify his return with "if you'll still have me" if he's 100% confident in his reception.

[veronica_rich]

And I'll let you smack me around with a wet fish, 'cause I just did the same thing below that I carped at you about ...

[elibad]

I'm not convinced at the end of DMC that Elizabeth does still respect Jack, what he stands for, yes, but she has lost faith in the man himself. I'm not sure she would have done what she does otherwise.

One of the things that never seems to come up in discussions about what Elizabeth does at the end of DMC is the fact that not long before she kills Jack, she is faced with killing Will. The difference is that with Will it is voluntary, he asks (demands) for her to shoot in a situation where his survival is suspect. He is, for all intents and purposes, willing to die in an attempt to save them all, to save Elizabeth. It wouldn't have worked, as we all know, but he was willing to take that chance. Elizabeth basically forces Jack to be the man she wants him to be, a good man, someone willing to sacrifice themselves for others, for her.

[veronica_rich]

Elizabeth basically forces Jack to be the man she wants him to be, a good man, someone willing to sacrifice themselves for others, for her.

Yeah ... when she already HAS someone like that. What fucked-up thing does that say about *her* personality?

[elibad]

It certainly ain't flattering, that's for damn sure.

[veronica_rich]

*icon love*

[elibad]

Hee, I'm a geek, 'cause it makes me giggle.